These verses frequently pass through my mind, and with the same understanding. (I had read Daniel Matson's take on them) That, and the fact that John saw the sign after the letters to the churches. I've also been trying to think all these things through with Israel in mind because I believe that's what all these signs and dates are for, we are just priviledged to have the book of Revelation to know what will soon take place.
The Revelation 12 great sign is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want to know even more about the background to the meaning of Rev. 12, request a free copy of "The Season of the Rapture: God's Three-Fold Witness"
The prophecy teachers on television are refuting the Rev. 12 sign. They have much to lose in lost sales should they reveal what the free E-book. Don Perkins stated on World News on ROKU His Channel, that the rapture would not take place on September 23, 2017. It is interesting that they were all sent copies of the E-book above but are silent and unable to refute the book's premise. You can get a free copy by emailing pastor Bob at Evanteachr@aol.com. This book shows the truth and accuracy of the Bible on a subject which everyone is focused on Rev. 12 but it is much more than that.
Greg that is timely and excellent! The implications are huge regarding the onset of the 70th week, possibly signified by the birth of Zedek in October. This is one of many things I have learned from Daniel Matson's work, and I am joyed to see this theme catching on, many thanks!
This Micah 5 Timeline is being taught by proponents of Sept 23, 2017 being the start of the 7 Yr Tribulation, 7 Yr Dispensation of Israel and Pre-Trib Rapture. There is no Pre-Trib Rapture or 7 Yr Tribulation in Scripture, this is the false teachings known as Futurism and Dispensationalism originating with Jesuit Manuel Lacunza and promoted by John Nelson Darby (Plymouth Brethren) and Cyrus Scofield. Jacob's Trouble (Jer 30:7) implies Jacob (12 Tribes) has been gathered to the Holy Land; they have not; Jesus does that at the 2nd Coming during the Millennium (Rev Dry Bones of Israel Eze 37) David will be King and Jesus Christ the Lord; this can only happen after the 2nd Coming. Jacob's Trouble ends with Gog and Magog at the end of the Millennium (Rev Rev 20:7-8 "After the thousand years"; Eze 38-39). Amos 5:2;26; 7:2-3;5-6KJV are critical to understand; The Virgin of Israel has fallen and shall no more rise; the Six Pointed Star of Molech is the reason and still flying in Israel today. Don't be fooled people, Pre-Trib Rapture, 7 Yr Trib and a second Israel Dispensation are Jesuit Lies.
Actually Howard, the preponderance of early Church fathers were Historic Premillennialists, prior to the Jesuits. Replacement theology is a complete abomination and turns God into a liar who doesnt keep His Word. Historic Premillennialism is well established and dates to the earliest of the Church Fathers. This forum is not the one however is not one to create dissention.
No dispute Sam; except for the term "Church Father"; Jesus is the only Father. The theory became widely disseminated during Martin Luther's day as "Chiliasm" which means the same as "Millennialism"; the theory that a Man will rule on the Throne of David in a rebuilt Temple. The problem is there is no Millennial Temple; that temple described in Exe 40-47 comes down from Heaven at the end of the Millennium and after Gog and Magog. Antichrist will rule from the Throne of Pergamon (Satan's Seat0 in the rebuilt Temple
Check out the Temple Institute website, see how serious they are about building that thing there (not in Turkey). It will be built, then an earthquake will destroy it.
Church father is a colloquial term, and I am certain you understand that. Chiliasm is the term given to premillennialism in the early Church, and it is a false assumption that the early Church judged it to be heresy...this is false as demonstrated in this scholarly article:
Howard, we disagree with your handling of Scripture, your eschatology, your understanding and interpretation of history, and also your arrogant approach. I don't mean that in a mean or condescending way, but your approach does not come across to us with humility or as Christlike. It is basically "most of what you believe is wrong", "you believe a lie", "this is just the way it is", etc. Have some humility friend. We don't claim to know everything or have a perfect interpretation of Scripture, but we've all spent decades studying for ourselves. I've studied many of your specific claims and find them unconvincing and unscriptural. Regarding the pre-trib rapture specifically, I came to that conclusion through my own personal study of Scripture.
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These verses frequently pass through my mind, and with the same understanding. (I had read Daniel Matson's take on them) That, and the fact that John saw the sign after the letters to the churches. I've also been trying to think all these things through with Israel in mind because I believe that's what all these signs and dates are for, we are just priviledged to have the book of Revelation to know what will soon take place.
ReplyDeleteThe Revelation 12 great sign is just the tip of the iceberg. If you want to know even more about the background to the meaning of Rev. 12, request a free copy of "The Season of the Rapture: God's Three-Fold Witness"
DeleteThe prophecy teachers on television are refuting the Rev. 12 sign. They have much to lose in lost sales should they reveal what the free E-book. Don Perkins stated on World News on ROKU His Channel, that the rapture would not take place on September 23, 2017. It is interesting that they were all sent copies of the E-book above but are silent and unable to refute the book's premise. You can get a free copy by emailing pastor Bob at Evanteachr@aol.com. This book shows the truth and accuracy of the Bible on a subject which everyone is focused on Rev. 12 but it is much more than that.
Greg that is timely and excellent! The implications are huge regarding the onset of the 70th week, possibly signified by the birth of Zedek in October. This is one of many things I have learned from Daniel Matson's work, and I am joyed to see this theme catching on, many thanks!
ReplyDeleteCAN YOU GUYS POST A LIST OF ALL THE SIGNS THAT POINT TO 2017 BEING THE RAPTURE YEAR? That would really help me witness to others.
ReplyDeleteHey Tim, check out this list: http://www.unsealed.org/2017/06/19-reasons-rapture-could-be-in-2017.html
ReplyDeleteThis Micah 5 Timeline is being taught by proponents of Sept 23, 2017 being the start of the 7 Yr Tribulation, 7 Yr Dispensation of Israel and Pre-Trib Rapture. There is no Pre-Trib Rapture or 7 Yr Tribulation in Scripture, this is the false teachings known as Futurism and Dispensationalism originating with Jesuit Manuel Lacunza and promoted by John Nelson Darby (Plymouth Brethren) and Cyrus Scofield. Jacob's Trouble (Jer 30:7) implies Jacob (12 Tribes) has been gathered to the Holy Land; they have not; Jesus does that at the 2nd Coming during the Millennium (Rev Dry Bones of Israel Eze 37) David will be King and Jesus Christ the Lord; this can only happen after the 2nd Coming. Jacob's Trouble ends with Gog and Magog at the end of the Millennium (Rev Rev 20:7-8 "After the thousand years"; Eze 38-39). Amos 5:2;26; 7:2-3;5-6KJV are critical to understand; The Virgin of Israel has fallen and shall no more rise; the Six Pointed Star of Molech is the reason and still flying in Israel today. Don't be fooled people, Pre-Trib Rapture, 7 Yr Trib and a second Israel Dispensation are Jesuit Lies.
ReplyDeleteActually Howard, the preponderance of early Church fathers were Historic Premillennialists, prior to the Jesuits. Replacement theology is a complete abomination and turns God into a liar who doesnt keep His Word. Historic Premillennialism is well established and dates to the earliest of the Church Fathers. This forum is not the one however is not one to create dissention.
ReplyDeleteNo dispute Sam; except for the term "Church Father"; Jesus is the only Father. The theory became widely disseminated during Martin Luther's day as "Chiliasm" which means the same as "Millennialism"; the theory that a Man will rule on the Throne of David in a rebuilt Temple. The problem is there is no Millennial Temple; that temple described in Exe 40-47 comes down from Heaven at the end of the Millennium and after Gog and Magog. Antichrist will rule from the Throne of Pergamon (Satan's Seat0 in the rebuilt Temple
ReplyDeleteRatcliffe,
DeleteCheck out the Temple Institute website, see how serious they are about building that thing there (not in Turkey). It will be built, then an earthquake will destroy it.
Also, there are 2 battles known as Gog and Magog.
Church father is a colloquial term, and I am certain you understand that. Chiliasm is the term given to premillennialism in the early Church, and it is a false assumption that the early Church judged it to be heresy...this is false as demonstrated in this scholarly article:
ReplyDeletehttp://francisgumerlock.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/Millennialism%20and%20the%20Early%20Church%20Councils.%20Gumerlock.pdf
It is clear from Scripture that Messiah will rule on earth and dwell with His people when He returns to earth, just as He left
Howard, we disagree with your handling of Scripture, your eschatology, your understanding and interpretation of history, and also your arrogant approach. I don't mean that in a mean or condescending way, but your approach does not come across to us with humility or as Christlike. It is basically "most of what you believe is wrong", "you believe a lie", "this is just the way it is", etc. Have some humility friend. We don't claim to know everything or have a perfect interpretation of Scripture, but we've all spent decades studying for ourselves. I've studied many of your specific claims and find them unconvincing and unscriptural. Regarding the pre-trib rapture specifically, I came to that conclusion through my own personal study of Scripture.
ReplyDeleteHoward, please contact me directly if you wish to further this discussion, as I do not wish to have a divisive discussion on this board, many thanks!
ReplyDeleteGary is right on point!
ReplyDelete