The Angel Standing in the Sun of Revelation 19
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This eclipse will be in South America and not in Israel. An Angel standing in the Sun is Mercury or archangel Michael. There is a conjunction of Sun and Mercury on that day.
ReplyDeleteNice observation! Mercury is indeed close for a few days, but remains outside the body of the Sun, in the corona so to speak. The heavenly body that actually is in the Sun is the Moon. Since John is describing what he is seeing to mark time points, I am not concerned with where the eclipse happens or whether it is seen in Israel or not in this instance, as it appears to be a time marker of sorts right at the judgment of the nations as described in Rev 19 at the end of the 70th week, potentially....Thanks for the comment!
ReplyDeleteIt written that on the forth day God created the Sun, the Moon and the stars. Angels are represented by stars including wondering stars such as Mercury, Venus etc.. and not by tte Moon.
DeleteIs there a verse in the Bible that supports an idea that the Moon can be considered an angel??
hat's a good point! The seven moving objects were considered interchangeable with angels by the ancients, however I am not aware of any specific reference. I did read one article that stated references to the Sun and Moon "ruling" in Genesis, and to the Sun and Moon being "ashamed" in Isaiah, but the most convincing item is not in the Bible for me, but the Book of Enoch which clearly connects Sun, Moon, and stars to angels in different places at times, and are "ruled" by specific named angels. Enoch is not Scripture however, but it was considered important to the Jews as it was found in the DSS and is quoted in Jude. The important thing is that John was certainly aware of Enoch, and I believe is using this language as a way to communicate to us through centuries what he is seeing....and, it isn't out of the question that the Moon might be used to represent an angel given what we know is in Enoch and that John very likely was aware of the connection. Thanks for the comment!
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ReplyDeleteThat is a beautiful definition of Rev 19, and personifies the power of His Word.
ReplyDeleteThanks Kevin, I agree! The imagery in Rev 19 is stunning and beautiful as you say!
ReplyDeleteMarianne, as I said we will agree to disagree...please give Howard my regards
ReplyDeleteI read one of the articles on here and the writer said they couldn't quite figure out what the shape of 2017 eclipse looks like.
ReplyDeleteAn article on this blog (bit.ly/2vPPGBV) points out that it looks like a sword and references Ezekiel 33, (‘When I bring the sword against a land, and the people of the land choose one of their men and make him their watchman, and he sees the sword coming against the land and blows the trumpet to warn the people, ..)
Would like to hear what you guys think.
Thanks, I'll check it out, off to church at the moment!
DeleteGreat article and observation on your part! The path is somewhat curved like a sword, and we are trying to be watchmen! There is another article out there which outlines that the eclipse on Monday will cross 7 cities named Salem in the USA...crazy stuff!
DeleteIt looks like half of a Jesus fish on a flat map.
DeleteGreat teaching on this channel!!! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnatAaTTPCHsmSfiR8aBwGQ
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnatAaTTPCHsmSfiR8aBwGQ
ReplyDeleteWhen the eclipse of the Sun will be
ReplyDeleteIn the full of day the monster will be seen
Quite otherwise will it be interpreted
High price unguarded: none will have foreseen it
Nostradamus
Century 3 Quatrain 34
(In maps from 1577, comets are labeled "monstriferous)
https://www.amazon.com/Nostradamus-1999-Who-Will-Survive/dp/1567185150
Page 7
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When a hideous monster will be born near "Orgon"
Century 1 Quatrain 90
(The eclipse starts in Oregon and moves across the U.S)
Conclusion: If a comet shows itself during the eclipse, Pray..
Or perhaps Nibiru/ planet X will be seen.
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ReplyDeleteI'm a little concerned by folks starting to turn everything in Revelation into astronomical signs. Sure, Rev 12 is a clear reference to a sign in heaven. But to say Rev 19 is about stars aligning? This sort of teaching starts to discredit the Rev 12 teaching, because it makes it look like we're reading astronomical alignments into everything. And starts to make the naysayers look right when they claim this is astrology. Gary, please be careful not to let false teaching corrupt a great message.
ReplyDelete"I saw an angel standing in the sun".....I am open to your explanation!
DeleteOne additional item Justin...nowhere do I insist this is the meaning in any of my teaching....this is a discussion, and I am putting ideas out there for just that. I am not sure where you are coming from with your accusation of "false teaching". You better have an explanation of what you think the Word is saying here before throwing that type of accusation out there, in my opinion.
DeleteSam, I think we have to be very careful what sort of teaching we promote. Especially when the idea is presented in a way that appears to be teaching and not just kicking around an idea. I don't really need to defend my concern or statement to be cautious because that is a prudent concept and because I'm not the one promoting an idea in a forum where I appear to be teaching. But thank you for the opportunity to debate this with you, I appreciate it.
ReplyDeleteOne other thing, Sam, I was referring to the author of the video in my comments...if it's not you then you have no need to get defensive.
DeleteJustin, I am the author of the video. I lace my videos with terms like "potential", "may be", "possibly" etc...I certainly don't claim to have all the answers, we are looking in a glass darkly. If you feel something is "false teaching" be prepared to explain why....
DeleteJustin, I find it interesting that you chose to post this on this thread....have you posted the same concern on any thread dealing with aliens, Nephilim, planet X, or Niburu? I don't think so....let me say this, if you think something I have said is false teaching on the video or on this thread, come out with it and discuss it....otherwise it is slander to insinuate this is "false teaching". Throwing loaded terms out as flippantly as you did, yes, you should feel a need to defend it. It is one thing to express a "concern", and another to insinuate this is false teaching as you claim.
ReplyDeleteI ask again...."I saw an angel standing in the sun"....what do you think this means, and what about this video did you find false? Or, are you just airing out concerns?
ReplyDeleteI think it literally means he saw an angel in front of the sun. Pure and simple. Sorry, but I don't read anything else into that. Second, I don't follow conspiracy items like aliens, Niburu, etc. Those are nothing more than craziness. I'm a Christian and enjoy reading Christian websites and articles. And finally, I
ReplyDeletereally find it disturbing how angry you are getting because of simple concerns.
Again, that is interesting because there are plenty of articles on this site that discuss aliens, Planet X, Niburu etc..and, yet you chose to express your "simple concerns" here....this is a wonder. I don't subscribe to those theories either, but wouldn't go so far as to call it "false teaching", even if I am unconvinced.
DeleteSince you threw out the accusation....specifically what is "false" in the video, or on this thread? You need to back it up....
I have no problem with you expressing "simple concerns"...if you review the comments on this thread and my replies, you will see that. I on the other hand are disturbed by the blindness you have to the offensiveness of your own comment loaded with the term "false teaching". You have an opinion, and that is fine...that doesn't make the opinion of someone with a different view than you "false teaching". I could just as easily say your view is "false teaching"...I suggest being careful and more sensitive as to how and when you use that term, and be ready to specifically state without ambiguity why you think it is "false teaching". In my opinion.
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ReplyDeleteHow does a sign in heaven speak to birds?.....Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, "Come, gather for the great supper of God, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great."
ReplyDeleteRevelation 19:17-18 ESV
http://bible.com/59/rev.19.17-18.ESV
How does a sign in Heaven birth a baby? Your statement is silly......
DeleteThis is speaking of heaven...is our Lord represented by stars too?...Then I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse! The one sitting on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he judges and makes war. His eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself. He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God. And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses. From his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron. He will tread the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of Lords.
ReplyDeleteRevelation 19:11-16 ESV
http://bible.com/59/rev.19.11-16.ESV
The Lord is represented by Zedek, a wandering star, and helps to define the sign of the Woman in Labor. You accepted that sign in your opening statement, would you like to retract your statement?
DeleteSo you asked for my opinion, now you have it. Thanks.
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DeleteI didn't ask for your opinion, I asked what you considered to be false teaching
DeleteLet me ask just one more thing Justin, and I am still hopeful you will be forthcoming as to what you judged to be false....
DeleteDid you even honestly watch the video? Thanks!
Sam, of course I watched the video. I wouldn't waste my time commenting if not. And I sure wouldn't have wasted
ReplyDeletemy time arguing with you. I've expressed my concern and gave details when you asked. I didn't intend to spend more time discussing this than the length of your video. I've obviously hit a nerve because "thou doth protest too much". Rather than debate anymore, just delete all my comments if you can't take a little criticism. Otherwise, I'm done debating you. Now turn the other cheek and leave me alone.
Thanks for watching Justin....I wish you be forthcoming and specifically state what you think is false about it....is it false only because it doesn't line up with your opinion? Or, do you have a doctrinal proof you believe makes it false? I find it strange that you readily accept the sign of the Woman in Labor, with Zedek representative of Messiah, in the Womb, a wandering "star", and yet feel justified to accuse someone of false teaching because their opinion may be different on Rev 19.....I am surprised that you don't seem to be able to grasp this....
ReplyDeleteYou are right, you hit a nerve, I don't get accused of being a false teacher often...in fact, I don't recall ever being accused of that. Are you being obtuse, or can you really not see how offensive that can be?
In any case, blessings and Shalom!
My words were perhaps inartful and I apologize. I do believe, however, you have to really be careful not to make too many connections with stars and planets where it doesn't make clear sense to do so as in Rev 12. Again my use of false teaching was not meant to offend. But you, Sam, are teaching and many people who read this site aren't very familiar with scripture ( while many are very familiar) so the burden falls on the teachers. I don't put any creedance in Niburu, aliens, or whatever else in that vein when it comes to Bible prophecy just sound biblical doctrine.
ReplyDeleteThanks Justin for your kind reply....I am careful about what I share, which is why I completely lace my videos and slides with the terms "potential", "may be", etc....I go so far as to say if we don't get an agreement to divide the Land in October, it falls apart like a house of cards. This is why I was taken aback by your comment....I am careful about how I present things. This is why if you found something to be "false", I would like to know what and where, so that I can do better next time to avoid it.
ReplyDeleteI major on the majors, and there are areas of doctrine that cannot be compromised on. In other areas that are not clear, an exchange of ideas in a non-dogmatic manner is a good thing..and opinions may differ, I realize and have no problem with that. Especially when it comes to Revelation and all of the vivid imagery...there will be a lot of differing ideas...or the Rapture, with the differing camps. This is why I do not emphasize the Rapture...it is loaded. I focus on the 70th week and the clear structure we are given in Scripture to identify it and its characteristics....everyone can figure out where they are on the chart with respect to their rapture beliefs...
Shalom, and thanks again for your kind reply!
If you all spent as much time investigating the universe utilizing the modernized and beautiful intellectual tools of logic and deductive reasoning as you do on vetting out the non-existent prophecies derived from the archaic detritus of a bygone era, we would probably have a cure for cancer, or maybe even cold fusion. Heck, I would even settle for a home router that doesn't need to be reset every few days. The fact that there are still so many human beings that have been unable to escape the emotional and intellectual confines of the systematic brain-washing that is organized religion makes me cringe, particularly when I come across a series of misguided philosophies such as those contained within the content of this site. I love you all, I really do (no, really, I have a deep and profound love for the universe in which I exist, and that includes you). I just wish you could find your way to removing the training wheels and truly joining the universe in a celebration of reality. Don't be a good person because some false deity (created from the mind of men as a means to explain the universe around them...which is really just a primordial form of the scientific method without the chops) commands it; do it because you are a human being. It doesn't get any simpler or more beautiful than that!
ReplyDeleteAirPort Extreme doesn't have to be reset every few days.
DeleteShalom to you as well.
ReplyDeleteChristopher, there is still time for you, it is never too late! Thanks for the comment!
ReplyDeleteAmen @Sam
DeleteSam,
DeleteI appreciate your concern. Your reply demonstrates the fundamental construct of your essence as a caring and compassionate human being. I kindly reciprocate the sentiment and wish you the best as you continue your life's journey!
I give a big thumbs up to both of you! I hope you stay connected with us Christopher, and keep visiting! Blessings, and Shalom!
Delete@Sam TY for your effort in making this video! I think your timeline makes much sense, it even convinces me more now than Steve's from Heavenlysign2017 because of the symmetry of days and years (like Daniel Matsons). The "Pessah of second chance" date also makes sense for the Jews here because they are not in Jerusalem and deal with death before. But please be aware that the rapture of the church is still scripturally tied to the Feast of Trumpets (1 Corinthians 15:52). So the time "in between" until October may be the time the world needs to deal with the cataclysm of people having surprisingly vanished without a trace and for the AC to rise up and organize the chaos (as there must be a time for this logically). The "dragon" sign of Rev12:3 cannot be a fixed and regular one because if it were regular and annual it wouldn't be unique and spectacular like this one. So I personally assume this "Nibiru" planetary system to show up somehow which is forced by moving planets altogether and not by fixed constellations. Just my 2 cents here... Thank you for your input and ideas, very compelling! Much blessings to you, see you soon in the air MARANATHA! :)
ReplyDeleteBlessings Anabell, and thanks for your comment! Daniel Matson is the one who stimulated much of this with his understanding of day counts, numbers, parallelograms, and celestial signs, I give him all the credit!
ReplyDeleteJustin, I thought you replied with grace and showed the love of Christ!
ReplyDeleteThank you. I appreciate that.
DeleteSam,
ReplyDeleteThere's some evidence to Enoch in Matt 8:28-34, Mark 5:1-20 & Luke 8:26-39 where Jesus casts out the legion. Matt 8:29 "what have we to do with the, Jesus, thought Son of God? art thou come hither to torment us before the time". Similarly Luke 8:31 "And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep" compare to Jude 6 "...he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness until the judgement of the great day"
It's possible, perhaps probable the Nephilim are those spirits that were cast out into the pigs as "their time was not at hand"
Berean, very interesting thought here! I had not considered that before, thanks for sharing!
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