Time Travel in the Book of Revelation
Ground yourself today and contemplate this: If at some point in the future you could speak a word of wisdom or rebuke to yourself, what would you say? What are you worried about? What would you change? What choices do you have before you that you wish you could know the future?
How much more wisdom will you have when you are with the Lord in your incorruptible body? Imagine that your heart of stone removed and that your will has been perfectly aligned with the Lord.
I think any version of this story has our future self holding our present self in at least a little contempt.
Keep this in mind as you study the Scripture below, here's the scene: The Apostle John has been taken in the spirit to Heaven, he is in the throne room with millions of angels and the 24 elders. The Scroll is presented, which many scholars surmise is the Earth Lease. It is obviously a very important document. Note, John in his human form is the only one weeping.
Revelation 5:4-5 Then I began to weep bitterly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll and read it. But one of the twenty-four elders said to me, “Stop weeping! Look, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the heir to David’s throne, has won the victory. He is worthy to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Key Point: Have we just seen John's future self, as one of the 24 elders rebuking his human self? Perhaps so. Human eyes or minds cannot comprehend the richness of God or His Heavens. John would have been overwhelmed from a sensory perspective! His perfected and glorified self just might have had something to say to the unbelieving wretch crying without faith. On the other hand, it could just as easily be the Apostle Peter getting a shot in on "The Apostle Jesus Loved".
I'd like to encourage you all today, at the twinkling of an eye, like a thief in the night, we will one day soon be before the throne of God in all His glory. We will worship and adore Him forever more. He exists outside of time and space, He is the Creator of time and space, these present troubles will fade away, and we will be changed. Maranatha, my friends.
If you are old and gray, what would you say to yourself now?
How much more wisdom will you have when you are with the Lord in your incorruptible body? Imagine that your heart of stone removed and that your will has been perfectly aligned with the Lord.
I think any version of this story has our future self holding our present self in at least a little contempt.
Keep this in mind as you study the Scripture below, here's the scene: The Apostle John has been taken in the spirit to Heaven, he is in the throne room with millions of angels and the 24 elders. The Scroll is presented, which many scholars surmise is the Earth Lease. It is obviously a very important document. Note, John in his human form is the only one weeping.
Revelation 5:4-5 Then I began to weep bitterly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll and read it. But one of the twenty-four elders said to me, “Stop weeping! Look, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the heir to David’s throne, has won the victory. He is worthy to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Key Point: Have we just seen John's future self, as one of the 24 elders rebuking his human self? Perhaps so. Human eyes or minds cannot comprehend the richness of God or His Heavens. John would have been overwhelmed from a sensory perspective! His perfected and glorified self just might have had something to say to the unbelieving wretch crying without faith. On the other hand, it could just as easily be the Apostle Peter getting a shot in on "The Apostle Jesus Loved".
I'd like to encourage you all today, at the twinkling of an eye, like a thief in the night, we will one day soon be before the throne of God in all His glory. We will worship and adore Him forever more. He exists outside of time and space, He is the Creator of time and space, these present troubles will fade away, and we will be changed. Maranatha, my friends.
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I still wouldn't give up hope that something might occur in a few days
ReplyDeleteI think there is much scriptural support for Lev 25:8-9 and given that this Lev 25:8-9 issue is "generally" a once in a lifetime event, Mat 24:44 comes to mind, "So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do NOT expect him"
That is the verse that makes it hard for me to sleep, because going to bed is making the assumption that He will not be here in the next 8 hours... or that He will wake me up at least a few minutes before it's time so I don't struggle against Him in my sleep unknowingly...
DeleteAs for the idea of time travel, I think I would tell my younger self that Jesus is real, to hold onto the faith and lead a better life, avoiding bad habits. Most of the trouble in my life started in middle school when I began to think that all that religious stuff was just make believe like Santa Claus and the Easter bunny. I may be greatly improved since I renewed my faith in Jesus, but still have some thorns in the flesh because of that period of time where I lived without restraints...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVB--W8ituY&t=482s here is what people missed during The Rapture claim.
DeleteI like Sep 27 as the rapture date. Add 7 years + 75 days as shown in Daniel 12 and you get to Dec. 12, 2024 or 12/12/24-- a fitting date to start the Kingdom
DeleteAdditionally, the pregnant woman sign occurred on Sep23/24. The red dragon sign, Rev. 12:3-4, could be volcanic ash to come over Israel/woman waiting for the birth/rapture
DeleteIf we are in a Jubilee Year we still have the last trump in 1 Cor 15:52 and trumpet call of God in 1 Thess 4:16 fulfilled at the rapture on the Day of Atonement, the tenth day of the seventh month (see below) when the church will be harpazo'd? According to this passage this is when liberty is proclaimed, when we are finally freed, and when we return home to our family....possibly this Friday the 29th or Saturday the 30th.
DeleteThe Year of Jubilee
8 You shall count seven sabbath weeks of years, seven times seven years, and the time of the seven sabbaths of years shall be to you forty-nine years. 9 Then you shall sound the horn blasts on the tenth day of the seventh month. On the Day of Atonement you shall make the sound of the horn throughout all your land. 10 You shall consecrate the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land to all the inhabitants. It shall be a Jubilee to you, and each of you shall return to his possession, and every person shall return to his family.
The Rev 12 Sign must be a sign post for the rapture event ahead. You don't see the sign for the "Broken Bridge Ahead" when you get to the bridge. You see it before. So isn't it highly possible that the Great Sign is a warning of the Rapture and the Judgment to come on Atonement, which also allows for the full 40 days of repentance prior to the rapture, as per the Jonah/Nineveh like Solar Eclipse signalling the 40 days of repentance. If the rapture was on the 23rd it wouldn't have allowed the repentance time for some to be able to repent and believe and be raptured.
Jesus told most of the churches in Rev 3 that they had to repent. Unrepentant churches who don't repent may miss the blessing of the rapture. Not talking about ultimate salvation but blessing of deliverance from the Tribulation to come. Christians in name only, or notional Christians (36% of churchgoers per research) must repent and believe to go to our hideaway during the tribulation. This "miss" or failed sign will bring on the scoffers and test those who profess faith in Christ to see if they will remain faithful amidst the mockery and confusion and keep on plugging away. Now is the time to get really excited and share your faith with everyone you know. All of the other 2017 evidences seem to be in tact.
Even Steve at HeavenlySign2017 is saying an atonement rapture fits His Timeline. Be of good cheer church. Redemption draweth nigh!
So, let me get your logic straight:
DeleteJesus work on the cross is good enough to forgive all our sins, to seal us with the Holy Spirit and save us...eventually.
But it's not good enough to get us taken up to heaven, to escape the Great Tribulation.
As a former "you-can-lose-your-salvation, you're-dangling-over-hell-naked-soaked-100-proof-alcohol" believers, I see what you're trying to do here.
But it's just bad doctrine. It was bad doctrine when the Catholic church started with it, it was bad doctrine when the Arminians kept it up, it's still bad doctrine when Perry Stone preaches it, because of his doctrinal tradition.
Perhaps you would be best to wait until the Bema Seat, when Christ judges his church. I appreciate your zeal. It's human nature to want to deal with sin.
Keith and Melody Green (along with other friends of Keith Green) had issues with his doctrine on salvation. He was wrong. His zeal for God, outran what Jesus actually had to say.
So for those weak in the faith, don't some long wall of text on the internet dissuade you of the power of the blood of Christ:
It (and Jesus himself) save to the utmost. Otherwise, we're the same as other religions, who never are assured of anything, and always have to examine the actions of others to consider ourselves "righteous".
It just occurred to me that perhaps the 'great wonder' fulfills the Feast of Trumpets, the purpose of which is to announce the coming day of atonement when the High Priest enters the most holy place. Tabernacles would then be dwelling with God.
DeleteSo, the sign was the announcement, a trumpet being blown.
We should expect something on the day of atonement to fulfill it.
We'll be with Jesus by Tabernacles if this is the plan.
Kris, I believe that one of the Purposes of what is revealed about this time is to let us know that its OK to be asleep, physically, when He comes. We are to be awake, spiritually, of course, but in case any should fall into poor health from sleep deprivation, thinking they might actually miss His coming by sleeping through it, the Spirit assures us that His Call will even WAKE THE DEAD!!! (1 Thess 4:16) Get it? REST in Him and DON'T SWEAT IT. :) Maranatha!
ReplyDeleteOh, I definitely get it. It's just hard for me to sleep in general, been this way a few years now. I go to sleep feeling generally okay, and wake up feeling like I've been in a boxing match all night, just to get through the day back to the point of feeling alright again. It's been frustrating at times, and I just assume it's like Paul's 'thorn in the flesh.' Something I can't fully control that drives me crazy :P
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ReplyDeleteThere is talk of the 24th being a better date. Looks at where the moon is at! It is at the scales. Then read all of Amos 8. In Amos 8 it speaks of the scales and it also speaks of a famine of the word where no one will find it. That would make sense if we are all gone! Also Amos 8 is "the vision of the summer fruit". Jesus told us that we know the summer by the fig tree and by that we also know that the day is upon us. This is all scripture folks! It ain't over yet!
All the loose ends being tied up it seems. :)
DeleteQuestion. So tomorrow, the 24th, the moon will literally be under the woman's feet. When does Jupiter exit the body (the birth)?
ReplyDeleteJupiter actually exits Virgo Oct 19th
DeleteRev 12 said that the child was caught up (raptured) after he was born. That will not happen until Oct 19th if that is when Jupiter exits Virgo. Also there is the circumcision that occurs 8 days later if that means anything in regards to the sign or timing of the rapture.
DeleteWhether the rapture happens tonight or not, we have all witnessed a "great sign" in heaven, and that means that we know the very end has been set into motion. We still await the dragon and the birth, which is when the snatching away happens according to the scripture, so let's keep on watching. We must also stay in scripture, prayer, and we must make ourselves ready for our bridegroom. Maranatha!!
ReplyDeleteHow come there is an image of a cow in that picture of the throne room of God, what's that all about?
ReplyDeleteThere are four living creatures around the throne of God. One of them has a bull's head if I recall.
DeleteAdd Patmos, Greece to Stellarium, (Coordinates are N 37 degrees, 18' 46.80" and E 26 degrees 32' 48.84" at 12 meters altitude for the cliffs where John likely was) set it to 9/24/2017 at 12 noon and look due east. She's standing directly over the moon while it's in Libra. Leo the king, Virgo the woman, and Libra the judgement/throne of God all tied together in this alignment... If Unsealed would let me post just a screenshot I would post it. People are giving up early it seems... Like this sign is the only thing on the 'radar' It's definitely not over. Maranatha!
ReplyDeleteCurious thought,
DeleteA friend of mine just recently getting back to the Lord more earnestly, said something profound as I showed her the stellarium of virgo.
Without hesitation she said: "That looks like a war is going on up there." What?, then I read her Rev 12, she was dumbfounded.
Look up Barry Scarborough on YouTube he's presented some great ideas
ReplyDelete"Have we just seen John's future self, as one of the 24 elders rebuking his human self?"
ReplyDeleteWhy should the elder's remark to John be interpreted as a rebuke? It's always struck me as a word of comfort.
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ReplyDeleteTonight (9/23) at 9 pm in California it will be 7 am in Jerusalem (9/24). The woman is literally clothed with the sun, she lights up on stellarium. The moon is under her feet. Everything is in alignment. The harpazo could very well happen in a few hours, guys! This is definitely not over! Keep looking up!!
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DeleteA nighttime rapture reminds me of the Jerusalem Countdown rapture scene.
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ReplyDeleteI'm surprised that this hasn't resonated with watchers more than it has. Many of us already thought it was a Jubilee year, seems like something that affects when trumpets are blown on or after FOT on a Jubilee year, a generally once in a lifetime event, would have received much more traction, but maybe it's just me.
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DeleteHmmm. Perhaps something to investigate? Thank you for sharing.
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Check out : Midnight Hour Oil on YouTube, Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur on same day 2016-17.
DeleteWatched this a couple of days ago, very interesting, it seems that on a JUBILEE year they were both celebrated on the same day.
Check it out
"This is called the last trump because it is the last blowing of the shofar at the last feast." I've heard this somewhere too, that this is the last time the shofar is blown. Just a bit of correction: Sukkot/Tabernacles is the last feast (among the seven appointed times/feat days).
DeleteI haven't researched it yet, but I understand that the Torah delays Yom Teruah for 7 days on Jubilee years. While "THEY" have lost track of Jubilees, God has NOT! Does the meaning/purpose of Jubilee not get amazingly fulfilled in the Rapture?!!!
ReplyDeleteDoes this mean that the blowing of the Yom Teruah shofar will be delayed until Tishrei 7 or 8 this year?
DeleteIt's actually delayed 10 days to coincide with Day of Atonement (Tishri 10) - see Leviticus 25:9. This would then give 40 days of warning to the USA after the eclipse ala Jonah and the Ninevites.
DeleteHi i had my eyes open see how God is speaking, when i saw the hurracane name Lee i look up meaning, the sheltered side, synonyms:shelter, protection cover refuge safety security.
ReplyDeleteI have been following this site for the past six months and have no doubt that the authors here meant well, but will they publicly repent once they realize it's not yet time for the rapture and that their date-setting misled many folks who were seeking eschatological leadership?
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It's not date setting..
DeleteThis was a divine sign, I think it's more of a warning to be ready at any hour now. Not just to get ready for a weekend and then go back to sinning if the rapture don't happen when you like!! God is speaking loud now, don't be like the evil servant in Matthew 24:48. Just because he didn't come when most people expected him to come!
This was not the sign that John was describing. There are just too many interpretive problems with it. Cursory research of what the most credible eschatology teachers were saying about this astronomical alignment reveals those problems.
DeleteI want Jesus to return as fast and as gloriously as you do, but it's not time yet.
Interesting. My in-depth research has revealed just the opposite, in fact I see more evidence for the perfection of this sign than I see in the laws of physics that govern the Created universe.
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JB, besides your haughty arrogance, you obviously didn't pay attention to what the good people at Unsealed.org said EVERY time they addressed the issue, which is that they did NOT know if the Rapture would be on the F.o.T. (21st-22nd), the Great Sign (23rd), or any other day, but that this is the sign so we expect the time to be soon. The 23rd was set by God, not Unsealed, nor Scottie Clarke, nor any man.
DeleteI didn't read JB's comment as haughty and respect the fact that he is willing to say what many, myself included, are thinking.
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DeleteAll the articles are still available -- please go back to the articles and show even ONE article on this website that say "The Rapture WILL occur on this date, or that date -- or any date.
They say they HOPE for it (the rapture), Such and such date Looks promising for the rapture .... NOT ONCE did they ever claim the rapture will occur on this particular date.
In fact most articles take great pains to make it clear -- that the rapture would happen on a particular date.
I am sure if one could find one article on this website that says the date is ##/##/#### -- that would come forward and state they are sorry for misleading.
BUT they never made the claim.
So are you going to apologize for misinterpreting what this site wrote about?
KJS Said:
Delete"All the articles are still available -- please go back to the articles and show even ONE article on this website that say "The Rapture WILL occur on this date, or that date -- or any date."
Try this article posted by Gary:
http://www.unsealed.org/2017/09/absolute-must-watch-series-on-signs-in.html
Watch part 1 of that "must watch" video series. You won't have to watch very long, but you can save time by skipping to about the 3:00 mark. You will hear this statement:
"My faith is in the sign, and the Rapture of the Church HAPPENING ON THE DAY OF THE SIGN." (Emphasis mine.)
Before that, at about 2:54, he said "God is controlling this sign and he determined this sign from the beginning of the creation of the world TO NOTIFY US OF WHEN THE RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH IS GOING TO HAPPEN." (Emphasis mine.)
He was talking about 9/23/2017. That is the very *definition* of Rapture date setting.
After the statements quoted above, he says:
"If I'm wrong I'm wrong..."
Spoiler: He's wrong, and I just saved you several hours of watching the videos he made to "prove" he was supposedly right.
BTW, I know that Gary didn't make the videos or make the quoted statements. But Gary DID post and recommend the videos with no disclaimer about the date-setting taught in them. It's that kind of inconsistency which gives the FALSE impression that Gary and the other authors of this site set 9/23/17 as THE day of the Rapture.
DeleteSo this is a reply to the first comment, I believe that now it can happen at any hour... Think when Jesus was talking about the parable of the virgins and the bridegroom had been delayed! Matthew 25:5
ReplyDeleteIt does not feel right
ReplyDeleteIt doesn’t feel quite right, the timing. Yes, the heavenly alignment that occurs on September 23, today, is a perfect representation of Revelation 12:1-2. However, when is the actual birthday? Other dates have been mentioned but if the sign that represents the birth is on September 23, then it does not make sense that the dragon seeking to destroy the child can happen with the child escaping until after circumcision (eighth day), the days of purification are complete, and the magi come to worship.
I am deliberately mixing metaphors here; clearly, we cannot comingle the event of the birth of Christ with the birth of the Church – or can we? Line up line, what is the pattern? The Christ child was circumcised on the eighth day and presented to the Lord in the temple on the fortieth day, Thirty-Three days later. Why would there not be a delay for these things to happen to Body of Christ after it is born?
I am no Biblical expert and not suggesting anything is certain, only speculating here, but what if the circumcision of the Church is the putting on the new body and leaving behind the old. If so, it could be that we meet Christ in the air as a type of circumcision, taking off the corruptible and putting on the incorruptible after which we are presented to the Father in a pattern as described in the Levitical Law.
Of course the other possibility is that there is a much longer period that might take us well into the tribulation (midtrib or prewrath) but most of what I have studied as of late supports the pretrib position. For the record, I still lean toward the prewrath view (see Enoch 1:1) but pray always that I’m wrong.
Almighty Father, if it be in your will, I’m ready to go home and meet my Savior Jesus Christ in the air with my brothers and sisters in Christ so that you may protect us from the tribulation that has already begun and the wrath to come. All this I pray in the Wonder Name of Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
Interesting! Worth a closer look. I will also add my, me too and Amen!
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"...so that you may protect us from the tribulation that has already begun and the wrath to come." The tribulation hasn't started yet. Current circumstances are bad but all of that is no match to what the the tribulation will be!
DeleteI am having a hard time with all the possible scenarios of being confronted by a most holy Elohim. Me being in the flesh cannot wait for the incorruptible to be put on. But, that is not something I grasp. I want to go now. But I want it to be later? I am positive if this very thing, the hope I have in Christ is of His holiness in me.That all by itself gives me hope. We can speculate, search go line upon line, By by the end of the day, the feasts, the last trump, we will be changed. Even so come Lord Jesus. This is the one sign we can safely say this day (the 23rd) was this sign fulfilled. In the book it goes down as done. Maranatha
DeleteDear younger me,
ReplyDeleteTalk to your Sunday School teachers and let them know how much it hurts that other kids are picking on you. Don't keep silent and keep it to yourself. Spend more time with the Pastor and don't give in so easily and walk away from the church. Don't be afraid to step-out and take more chances. Yes, you have a family, but G-D knows this and wouldn't put something in your heart if you couldn't do it.
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DEAR BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN CHRIST,
ReplyDeleteLET NOT YOUR HEARTS BE TROUBLED. WE WANT THINGS. WE DESIRE THINGS. EVEN GODLY THINGS.
BUT GOD WANTS MORE FOR US.
HE WILL COME BACK FOR US.
HIS TIMING IS PERFECT.
I LOVE YOU ALL.
I HAVE WEPT MANY TEARS OVER THIS DAY. BUT THE LORD, THE LORD IS RIGHTEOUS AND TRUE.
TAKE COMFORT. KEEP RUNNING! FOR THE RACE IS NOT YET OVER!
LET US REJOICE THERE IS MORE TIME TO WORK!
- IN HIM,
AARON
Thank you AAron for that post.Oh how i love Jesus and want to go home. Seems the Lord has delayed his coming. I'm still watching. He has promised, he will return!
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ReplyDeleteThat's just my personal interpretation but I believe so that the state of Israel "being born" in 1947/48 started the "clock ticking". The reunification of Jerusalem in 1967 was the "icing on the cake".
DeleteNothing in the Revelation 12:1-5 passage necessarily REQUIRES instantaneous fulfillment of all the aspects mentioned in that passage, as we Westerners with "instant coffee," and "fast food" are culturally influenced to think.
ReplyDeleteLet's think about this, removing presuppositions, and just look at what the Revelation 12:1-5 is saying and not saying:
Revelation 12:1 "And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars." LOOKS VERY MUCH LIKE THIS WAS INDEED FULFILLED ON September 23/24.
Revelation 12:2 "She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth."
I was present for the birth of our sons, and labor occurred over several days with some of our sons--SO SCRIPTURE IS NOT NECESSARILY STATING THAT LABOR IS ALL ACCOMPLISHED ON THE SAME DAY OF THE GREAT SIGN.
Revelation 12:3 "And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems."
Here we have yet another event, AND SCRIPTURE IS NOT NECESSARILY STATING THAT THIS SECOND SIGN OCCURS ON THE SAME DAY OF THE "GREAT SIGN." But the encouraging fact is that this sequence of events is now started, meaning that the rapture is coming soon.
Revelation 12:4 "His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it."
It is very possible that this next event could take more than one day to occur, or occurs on a subsequent day sequentially, SCRIPTURE IS NOT NECESSARILY STATING THAT THIS THE DRAGON'S TAIL SWEEPS A THIRD OF STARS ON THE SAME DAY OF THE "GREAT SIGN," but this could be very soon because it is next in the sequence of events!
Revelation 12:5 "She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,"
Now this is the event we are waiting for--with blessed hope! But SCRIPTURE IS NOT NECESSARILY STATING THAT THE WOMAN GAVE BIRTH ON THE SAME DAY OF THE "GREAT SIGN," but only apparently AFTER the second sign and AFTER dragon's predicted actions.
So the very text of Revelation 12:1-5 could very well be like the welcomed sign on a highway that our home town is "5 miles ahead." We're getting VERY CLOSE. God never promised that the Great Sign and subsequent events are all going to happen the SAME DAY, but that the sign signals that this sequence of events has been triggered.
SO, it is NOT a "fudge factor" (as some think) to consider the possibility, for example, that "as in the days of Noah" that Noah entered the ark 7 days BEFORE RAIN, or that Leviticus 25:8-9 may appropriately tell us that the Apostle Paul's "last trump" teaching for the rapture is going to be on the Day of Atonement (even though we don't know exactly if this is a Jubilee year, but God would certainly know). Both the Noah model and the Leviticus 25:8-9 model would anticipate that the "Great Sign" was a 7 day advanced notice.
SO, let's carefully separate [1] what Scripture ABSOLUTELY INFALLIBLY states from [2] our imposed added hypotheses or presuppositions or theological theories that are not part of Scripture. If we do make this careful distinction, and if the astronomy software users are correct that the alignment uniquely occurred yesterday and today (NOTE: the "great sign" was apparently on 2-days itself--not just one day), then the great news is that the Revelation 12:1-5 sequence of events is NOW triggered, so the sequential events are absolutely going to happen over a Scriptually-undefined number of days.
Professor Al, Ph.D., Th.D., Bible professor on an undisclosed unreached mission field
In my opinion Rev 12:1-2 has been absolutely fulfilled by the alignment yesterday and today. Jupiter left Virgo by now I assume. Also, the Dragon described in the next verses has been there too represented by the constellation Draco right at the feet of Virgo. Then, applying a bit of pause the Apostle John makes a brief description of Satan and the AC-empire. When he mentions the third of the starts… if I remember that correctly, Satan made the third of the angels rebel against God. I think so that the *third of the starts* are representing the fallen angels who’ll be cast down with Satan from Heaven! If we pay careful attention we’ll notice that the Apostle John is jumping among the topics, Rev 12 is not strictly chronological. After giving a brief description of Satan and the beast empire he turns back to the topic of the woman (representing Israel) giving birth to the Church/Christ who is snatched up to the throne of God. Then the apostle follows with jumping to the description of the middle of the tribulation period.
DeleteWow, Dr prof,
DeleteThat is beautifully laid out. I am so ecxited with the events and the possibilties that I am just no earthly good right now. The expectation, the wonderment, I find myaelf in a awe struck enviroment. To see, and be with the savior whose by His stripes we are able to have a relationship with the Creator.
fwiw, this fits in with what I believe the Holy Spirit led me to see in Rev 12:1-5.
DeleteThere is no time qualifier from v1 to v5 etc. In fact, the passage immediately struck me as "labor takes time".
It would take a book to correlate everything in scripture on that point. So, just one only: today I had yet another reaffirmation of that point via 1 Thess 5:1-3.
FACT: the world is not crying "peace and safety" right now. It's quite the opposite. Most think we are on the verge of World War 3 (and, we are).
And, there's much much more. But, I affirm this post as there is no instant-time revelation in it.
And, I'd like to supplement that if I may: Westerners also think much of scripture is Western-centric when it is not. One example, Merkel won in Germany today - so that more refugees most certainly will be imported into Germany TO HEAR THE GOSPEL. THAT is what is going on: God is allowing this to go on so these folks can hear the gospel. And, most certainly "peace and safety" are not a part of it by ANYONE involved.
"Wars and rumors/threats of wars" are part of the birth pangs, they will surely increase in frequency and intensity. I have a bit of different take on "peace and safety". It's been a political mantra for years now, politicans and the media are repeating that "slogan" all the time. They want peace but there's no peace. They're saying "peace, peace" but there's no peace as Scripture says. The AC will bring a temporary "peace" to the Middle-East in the future. The Bible suggest that he will arrive on the world's scene during warfare.
DeleteI'm unable to post this reply in the relevant thread above, so it's here.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Michele. I was trying to be gentle and sincere.
Safe Solution – I was not haughty or arrogant. I stated my position based on the facts I uncovered in my own research, which appears to include sources that are not being utilized by some folks here. If Unsealed and Scottie Clarke weren't date-setting, they were most certainly date-suggesting. The latter has the same effect as the former. Both date-setting and date-suggesting create an expectation, and when the expectation doesn't come to pass, disappointment is the result. But instead of publicly repenting, Scottie Clarke (who seems like a good guy with good intentions) is going back to the drawing board. Twenty-three hours ago as of this writing, he published another video titled, "September 24, 2017 - A More PERFECT Alignment for Revelation 12?" Ignoring the fact that degrees of perfection do not exist, this is unfortunate because, as the most credible eschatology teachers have been saying all along, this is not the sign.
So what's the fallout of all this?
The bad news: Many believers have been misled, and as a result, are disheartened. Some of these folks may need to dig deeper for faith when the actual sign is revealed to us.
The good news: Unsealed and Scottie Clarke have lots of ministry left. And I believe that they can accomplish great things if they choose to go about their ministry more humbly and responsibly.
"this is unfortunate because, as the most credible eschatology teachers have been saying all along, this is not the sign." They might be wrong. Even if the rapture haven't happened yet, that doesn't disqualify that sign in my eyes. I truly believe so that this sign is pointing to the approaching tribulation period and the rapture. When will these events happen, I don't know. But I don't think they're too far down the road. (By *too far* I mean decades.)
DeleteAs I mentioned before, there are many interpretive problems – scripturally and astronomically – with calling this celestial alignment the sign. I encourage you to seek out the teachers who have identified and explained these interpretive problems.
DeleteFor me personally, I didn't need any sign at all to believe that the rapture was decades away.
I've seen their arguments debunked. Plus, I haven't said that the rapture and the tribulation period are decades away, I said the opposite! This sign haven't happened in a "vacuum". There's an incredible convergence of prophetic events on all fronts. Even the eschatology teachers who are denying the sign are talking about that all the time, warning people who are listening to them of the nearness of the rapture.
DeleteYou all, keep mentioning eschatology teachers, no references. Its like "they" assign some names to these who are "credible." Personally, all who are filled with the Spirit of God can and have valid input. Speculate all you want. But what we all need to do is stay the coarse! Go Scottie!
DeleteI haven't seen anyone actually debunk the Rev 12 sign, just people only saying it has been debunked with either no proof or pseudo-proof that didn't hold water. This site has tried hard to debunk the Rev 12 sign in order to determine if it was in fact the sign John the Revelator described, and it appears that the Rev 12 sign did in fact occur on September 21-23 of 2017. It's very puzzling that so many people calling themselves Christians are saying otherwise. I guess it's just like the idea of the pretrib rapture, some see it and others don't. That's the only way I can explain it.
DeleteI would tell myself to stop analyzing myself. Quit focusing on yourself so much and keep you eyes to Christ where you'll find perfect peace. You have spent too much of your life inward focused and it leads to sinking. Being Christ focused leads to walking on water.
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DeleteSoooo I read alot of the comments here and I had to walk away for a few hours because I was grieved in my spirit reading some of the name calling and so forth. Behavior that is not becoming of matured sons and daughters of God. So after walking away the Holy Ghost said say this "when they get past the fanaticism then they will know what it all means". When I first reaf about this sign as it related to Revelation 12, I didn't go online looking for what dofferent people were saying and what their interpretation was. No! I went to God in prayer asking HIM what does this mean and how will it look in 2017. And I stayed in God's presence until He answered me. And he said it is a sign. A sign like you would see on the side of the road to let you know what's ahead. And after that I began to hear "the Day of The Lord is upon us". What does that mean? Well He said "I'm coming and my reward is with me". And then the Holy Ghost reminded me of a dream where I heard Dad (God) say "sit right here son until I make your enemies your footstool". Why is this so significant right now? Well because Rosh Hashanah is judgment day and right now we're spiritually experiencing the Days of Awe. The day to return and repent leading up to Yom Kippur. Everybody's works are being judged and so many are not aware and therefore not prepared because the church has always taught judgment to come after death. No true.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the rapture is concerned, I umderstand what it is and what it will look like in our time however, the Holy Ghost has told me to remain quiet. So when He tell me to release it I will. So if you want to understand what it means seek after the one who put the sign there in the first place.
Wisdom is the principle thing therefore get wisdom, but in all thy getting, get understanding. And know that it is loving kindness that draws.
Blessings to you all.
Well said, Quo. Maranatha!
ReplyDeleteI love what you said Quo... Thank you for that.
ReplyDeleteI also wanted to share this scripture...
(Hab 2:3 [KJV])
For the vision [is] yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry.
And...
(Heb 10:37 [KJV])
For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
(Heb 10:38 [KJV])
Now the just shall live by faith: but if [any man] draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
I appreciate all the research that the Unsealed team and Scott Clarke and so many others have done and for the eye opening that has happened with the fulfillment of this Revelation 12:1-2 sign. I hope to see you all before the Throne of God soon so that we all can worship Him as one.
I love this site, especially the objectivity and *humility* by which the material is presented.
ReplyDeleteThe Rev 12 sign appears to be genuine. However, I have never seen pre-trib rapture in scripture. (That doesn't mean I don't keep searching, even hoping that's the case).
But, my point: God disperses prophetic information across The Body. No one person or group has it all. The very Bible shows that, too.
===> Those areas of The Body need to come together to pool their revelations.
Sure, there'll be a LOT (if not the majority) of self-appointed prophets. So, how-to filter that out is still TBD.
I've got a long list of such sites. I need to drop some at times and add others, it's how I ---prayerfully--- found Unsealed.org.
The Mazzaroth alone is not sufficient IMHO to reveal *comprehensively* what God has unsealed in these end times. It is part of it only.
And, there's no way any human is going to filter out and bring together what is dispersed revelation.
BUT, it ---WILL--- happen at some point:
"until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature" Eph 4:13
Now, go back and read verses 1 to 16. What's the context? Dispersed gifts (and prophecy is definitely a gift) that come together to have a UNIFIED KNOWLEDGE.
But, also ***maturity***. Sorry, brethren. And, I include myself in this: we are not mature. You can read far too many posts showing that as well as other experiences in person and online.
The Rev 12 sign is something, I believe. My personal (incomplete and not fully answered prayers) on what it is: it IS a time marker. And, the best I can tell: we are entering a time of spiritual warfare leading TO the tribulation. Perhaps the first 3 1/2 years of it, but I don't know now and am still seeking.
I think The Body needs a way to enter a new period of MATURITY. And, put together what God has dispersed throughout The Body.
...keeping in mind God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.
I don't know you Gary, and if you are the one on the videos. But, you appear to have the humility, objectivity and maturity to be a viable part of such an effort.
There are many others. I'd love to share them. I don't believe all they post, though. But, ***portions*** of what they have IS truth. I think The Body should seriously consider a way to put them all together.
A last point on maturity: do you, brethren, know what you are REALLY getting yourself into to PREMATURELY be exposed to The Living God?
"And, the bride MADE HERSELF READY", Rev 19:7
...anything before that means THE BRIDE IS NOT READY.
Hi Ben,
DeleteJust my 2 cents. I believe so that it's the Lord who is making us ready. As Scripture says, He is the One who makes us standing firm in Christ, also the One who justified us and sanctifies us. He is the originator and perfecter of our faith. He is the source of every good and perfect gift, and He is the giver of all our victories. The list goes on and on. It's always about Him, Him and Him, not about us. I believe so, that accepting His blood sacrifice on our behalf, His free gift of salvation is all that required on our part, that's how we're making ourselves ready and letting the Lord to take the wheel. :)
Nora said:
Delete"His free gift of salvation is all that required on our part, that's how we're making ourselves ready and letting the Lord to take the wheel."
Nora nails it! :D
@Nora
DeleteI don't disagree that it is ultimately the Lord that makes us ready. I'm talking about our part in it.
God does not do it FOR us. We have to receive and act upon His truth.
"Made HERSELF ready" is what scripture says.
Leviticus 12:2-3 Seems to make perfect sense. The son was born, but now he is unclean for a week. The Church needs to be in great repentance and growth this week. Perhaps on the 8th day, the son will be circumcised, and he will be snatched into the throne room after being clean.
ReplyDeleteMakes perfect sense to me as well.
DeletePossibly.
Deleteor, that week is a 'seven' like Daniel's week/seven, i.e. seven years. I just don't see a pre-trib rapture in scripture. Would love to be so very wrong, though.
The rapture doctrine may end up triggering the great falling away. Rapture is another word for enthused...is...seized by God.
ReplyDeleteThe rapture doctrine and others of its ilk including the prosperity doctrine are quite frankly....of the devil.
If it was good enough for my Lord to be crucified, for Peter to be crucified upside down, for Polycarp to be burned...I can't see how some taxi is going to swing by and pick me up from a bit of earthly pain.
The Rev 12 Sign has just completed. The click is running. Pray it is cut short.
@ Professor Al, Ph.D., Th.D., Bible professor on an undisclosed unreached mission field
ReplyDeleteAKA Professor Dr.
Please reconsider the use of this title, it forces some suggestion about putting yourself on display of high regard. There is no reason for that, more it gave some of us an suggestion about "self" esteem and knowledge on display.
Let the Word speak for itself, a name as you doesn't add credibility at alle, on the contrary!
Just a note, hope you understand.
Regards,
Patrick
No such thing as Time Travel
ReplyDeleteWow...I think the unsealed crew got raptured. No new posts. Scary!
ReplyDeleteLol. Hey, Mark!
DeleteYEA!!! Not that I don't want anyone to miss out on the rapture but the sudden silence was deafening! May GOD watch over ALL of us and may Jesus our king come soon. This world sorely needs HIM. : )
DeleteDo you think this could be the red dragon we have been looking for to complete the Revelation 12 sign? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlEw0ZzoSzY This planet is supposedly red and associated with a dragon and a debri field travels with it. It is supposedly like a magnet and is almost upon earth which when it gets close enough it will completely switch the poles. Could this be why our weather is increasingly out of control and why we are seeing an uptick in very strong earthquakes? Could this be what the chemtrails are for - to hide it from us. It is almost impossible to hide it now as people are starting to get photos of it on accident like this one lady did when she noticed a rainbow cloud and took a photo of it and when she looked at the photo, she noticed below the cloud the planet and sent it to the "planet x experts" who confirmed it. Here is her video about it with the photos in the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4gHFMdEjzQ Could this planet be what causes people's hearts to fail for fear (Luke 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.)?
ReplyDeleteI've heard a lot of people talking about Planet X, or Nibiru, but as of yet I have seen no compelling evidence for it. Also, Scripture doesn't say there IS going to be some planet that appears that fulfills those signs. I acknowledge that it COULD be what happens, but so far I see no reason to think that IS what is going to happen.
DeleteAs for those photos, as a photographer I can say that there's nothing special about what showed up in her photos. That is a typical lens flare that appears when you photograph the sun with a normal camera. I've seen the same thing in my photos for years. The bright circle at the center is common as well when you photograph the sun. Typically you will see a bright overexposed area where the sun actually is in the sky (which you see in her photograph here: https://puu.sh/xJl5e/ae14a2f00f.png) but then you'll see a circle nearby that shows the actual image of the sun (which is in her photograph here: https://puu.sh/xJl6S/ae7196cd37.png). Nothing in her photos are uncommon to see when taking a picture of the sun in the sky. I've seen a lot of people posting pictures like these to argue that Planet X has arrived, but I've seen my own pictures show up like this for years. It's just something to do with how the light refracts around in the lens of the camera.
Not saying that Planet X is definitely not true. Because I don't know how God is going to fulfill these prophecies. But, I currently see no reason to think that Planet X is definitely true. It is currently just a theory without much evidence for it, in my opinion.
God bless!
Anon, there is a LOT of compelling data tying a possible twin dwarf star which circles through our solar system every 3,600 +/- years causing Biblical mischief, perhaps even the Great Flood on its most recent, prior visit. IF this is the tool our Lord uses to execute parts of His plan, which is very possible, He has not chosen to specifically include it in His Revelation to us and that for a reason, to be sure. Personally I am convinced we will ultimately find that there is such a vessel in use buy our Lord but encourage you to not get caught up in it. The facts of yet-to-be events are known to us now and IF there is such a body involved in causing some of these things, great. However, whether or not that is the case is not relevant to the moment at hand. Even if it is true, AND we could figure it all out, we could not alter it AT ALL as it is His will it be this way and, honestly, in light of who the 'god' of this age is and the spirit behind the powers that be, why would we expect any good to come from knowing those details? Maranatha!
DeleteAlso consider Rev 21:14. John must have seen his name written on the foundation of the New Jerusalem!
ReplyDeletefwiw, https://wake-up.org/Commentary/Chapter10.pdf
ReplyDeleteThere's a LOT of history showing Rev 12 sign to be something else.