The Impasse is Over
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Beginning in December 2018 with the dissolution of the Knesset, for over 500 days the nation of Israel has been in political limbo. On April 9, 2019, the first round of elections resulted in the first stalemate in the country's 70-year history. Then repeat elections in September last year came to the same result: no leader could cobble together the necessary 61-seat coalition to form a functioning government. A historic third election was held on March 2nd of this year in the midst of the global COVID-19 pandemic and the results were yet another stalemate.
What in the world was going on and why now? Having passed its 70-year mark and entering into the 70 to 80 year range of its relatively short life (see Ps. 90:10), the nation that God reestablished is racing toward the prophetic finish line as this impasse, the recent signs in the heavens, and the general convergence of prophetic signs have unequivocally shown. Biblical prophecy is real and it's coming to pass before our very eyes.
With numerous false starts, perplexity, and political intrigue, Benjamin Netanyahu and Benjamin (“Benny”) Gantz have finally managed to form a government: today, exactly 1,000 days after the Great American Solar Eclipse, the new government was sworn in. As he was sworn in today, Prime Minister Netanyahu reiterated the government's intention to move forward with annexation and implementation of the Deal of the Century in July (source).
Remember, it's the United States that formed and presented the plan, kicking off the formulation of the plan the very day of the eclipse when Jared Kushner jetted off to the Middle East. 33 days later those who were awake to the times would witness the literal fulfillment of the sign recorded in the first two verses of the twelfth chapter of the Book of Revelation. This sign was a tremendous encouragement to the Church, but a profound warning to the world. The world is racing toward the final confrontation that will witness the division of God's covenant land, the rise of the Antichrist, and judgment upon all nations.
The Day of the LORD is at hand.
Further Reading:
Prophecy Basics: Setting the Record Straight
God and His Fig Tree
A Promising Pre-Trib Prophecy Hidden in Plain Sight
Passing the Torch
Revelation 12: Escape to a Place Prepared
So very surreal. Division of the land without any acknowledgment of the Word of the Lord and by those who should absolutely know better is bewildering.
ReplyDeleteI'm curious, I don't get "Division of the land" thing. I thought Israel is taking back land it once owned.
DeleteI'm picking on you, you were just the first post!
ONE-THOUSAND DAYS: THE THOUSAND YEARS
ReplyDelete1 Then I saw an angel coming
down from heaven, holding in
his hand the key to the bottom-
less pit and a great chain.
2 And he seized the dragon,
that ancient serpent, who is
the devil and Satan, and
bound him for a thousand years,
3 and threw him into the pit,
and shut it and sealed it over
him, so that he might not
deceive the nations any longer,
until the thousand years were
ended. After that he must be
released for a little while.
(Revelation 20:1-3 ESV)
In the year 2020 the fullness of days is complete and the breaking of the impasse is reached. Pledges have been made. Vows are now given. Promises and commitments made that in the summer to come the covenant with death shall be sealed. The everlasting promise made shall be broken.
A marriage vow has been made the contract of which and payment are yet to be finalized, witnessed and transacted. Remember, a legal marriage may take place if only a payment is witnessed between the two and that they physically consummate that union becoming one.
Yes, it is akin to prostitution and is abhorred by most in Jewish tradition.
The number 1,000 represents the fullness of time. A complete interval. Wholeness. A witness to what is to come. A shadow of what is yet to be. Surely, from the beginning of this "vision" to physically divide the land one-thousand days ago a fullness of days has passed. Today we have been given a watermark for these days.
Please stand by...
1,000 days from the "warning" signal, wow.
ReplyDeleteGreat re-learning (includes GWR12 and others)
The Heavens Declare the Glory of God! JUNE RAPTURE DATE IS SET IN THE STARS!
From Barry Awe
The LORD put His entire plan for mankind in the sun moon and stars! (part 1)
15min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwA3g-wXDrs
Corono = Crown / Crowning is the stage of the birth process that the head begins showing and not retracting due to contractions.
ReplyDeleteWe have had birth pains - now we may be having crowning - with the baby ready to be born.
Coronis - an ancient Greek symbol marking the end of a major section
ONE-THOUSAND DAYS, A JUBILEE & A CROWN
ReplyDeleteText can be a very difficult way to communicate, especially when one must measure their words as in this space, but today I want to begin this message with my most sincere and personal condolences to the family of Phyllis George.
Phyllis George, pioneering sportscaster and former Miss America, has died
Phyllis George was born on Saturday, June 25, 1949 -- exactly one-year, one-month and 11-days after the declaration of independence of the State of Israel.
Her birthday was Shabbat Mevarekhin (meaning, "the Sabbath when we bless") AND most interestingly also happened to be Parashat #40 (note "40"). That is the 40th Torah reading for the year being (Numbers 22:2-25:9) and (Micah 5:7-6:8) according to Torah Calendar.
BOTH ARE MANDATORY READING FOR THIS POST!!!
As Phyllis was famous to say, "I am from Denton, Texas, and I will never let you or anybody else forget that". If her name doesn't already ring a bell she lived a public life in broadcasting and helped pave the way for a new generation of women in media to come.
My wife is amongst those who rode Phyllis George's skirt-tails as a radio and TV broadcaster. Thus I extend, on behalf of my family, to hers, my heartfelt thank you for Phyllis' perseverance and dedication as a trailblazer in a male dominated industry and our sympathies on the passing of a beautiful face and voice of a generation.
CNN states that Phyllis George was crowned the 50th MS AMERICA on Sunday, September 12, 1971. Wikipedia states that the 1971 MS AMERICA PAGEANT was the 44th *annual* event. Do the math and you will that she was CROWNED a JUBILEE of years ago,
2020 - 1971 = 49-years
Her given name, Phyllis, is stated as being of Greek origin "Φυλλις" meaning "foliage". Quoting, behindthename.com,
"In Greek mythology this was the name of a woman who killed herself out of love for Demophon and was subsequently transformed into an almond tree. It began to be used as a given name in England in the 16th century..."
How odd that is! Her passing was announced this past Saturday -- the same day I planted my 55th birthday present from my family...an almond tree! Hmm, an almond tree. Where in the Bible do we see the almond tree? In what place did we and do we see it?
Do you remember?
The passing of this icon, crowned the 50th Ms America 49-years ago, was announced on the 999th day since the Great American Solar Eclipse 1.0 of Monday, August 21, 2017. The very day before the new government, and perhaps last governemnt, of the State of Israel was sworn in. One-thousand days since the modern *peace* process and final plan to divide the land of Israel was begun.
...to be continued.
Blessings Pastor Rich. And at this exact moment, I am eating Hershey’s Kisses with almonds.
DeleteHumanity is brought to its knees by an inert mass of RNA. A government raised, the kings crowned with 52-ministers and vice-ministers (the wall is complete) as the Kinneret bursts its banks! How much longer until we are all forced to take the mark of the crown of death? The vaccine of CV?
DeleteTyranny Coming to a Syringe Near You
Israel finally has a government after 508-days. 508 is divisible by the prime number 2 which results in 254. The same step can be applied 1 more time and the resultant value will be 127. The result 127 cannot be divided any further as it is a prime number. Hence the prime factors of 508 are 2, 2, 127.
Anyone familiar with IPv4 networking and the decimal values applied to each octet of an IPv4 address may see a hint at what we know as localhost. (Anything between 127.0.0.0 and 127.255.255.255). A simple conversion method of decimal to binary is,
Binary value:.........0.....1......1......1.....1.....1.....1.....1
========================================
Decimal value:...128...64....32....16.....8.....4.....2.....1
...add all of the decimal value counted in binary as "1" and you get,
1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 + 64 = 127
But enough of my wandering mind.
...and don't forget the obvious, for those who are into numbers, that 5 + 0 + 8 = 13.
Delete"Thus I extend, on behalf of my family, to hers, my heartfelt thank you for Phyllis' perseverance and dedication as a trailblazer in a male dominated industry and our sympathies on the passing of a beautiful face and voice of a generation."
DeleteThe voice of a generation? Which generation was that?
A trailblazer in a male-dominated industry?
Young man, Jehovah the LORD of Hosts is not a feminist. To say the least. He does not approve of proud trailblazing women. He approves of meek, helping, obedient women. Obedient to Him, and also to their husbands.
You expect to pass promptly to the next world, but you are still of this one.
Hi Ray,
DeleteThe LORD knows my heart in this even if it didn't make sense to anyone else here. We have been a media family (radio and TV) from the beginning as this is where my wife and I met. Radio especially is a hard road to travel and one we have been blessed richly by God's grace to share the Gospel and point hearts and minds to God in Christ. Recently departed people like Phyllis George or 431 Squadron Capt Jenn Casey of Canadian Forces Snowbirds are kin if only by vocation.
Broadcasting takes tenacity and determination to weather especially in Christian broadcasting. Ever been a worship leader? Then you'll know what I mean.
No. The LORD is not a feminist and neither am I. To say the least He expects us to love one another which is what my time here is all about. Text is a dreadful way of communicating especially when you are limited in physical count by bytes allowed per post. So much is lost in the translation.
The good news is you have me completely wrong.
I don't know the heart of another nor their standing in the LORD unless I have witness. Even so, we can certainly be sensitive to those left behind as they still have need and need of the Love of the LORD.
May we always lead in LOVE. That is the command is it not?
Thank you for your watchfulness but all is well here. No idolatry of a world system happening here. It is not mine to judge another especially when I do not know their heart. It is mine to love because even while I was still a sinner Christ died for me.
I expect to share the Love of Christ and pass that message to those who would perish in the next world without it while still living in this one.
That is my business and the reason of my being.
Blessings, always,
PR
Pastor Rich - you have likely heard "there is no place like 127.0.0.1".
DeleteTo the no-IPv4 crowd, that means "there is no place like home".
Yep! I sure have. There's no place like localhost. (aka "home")
Delete"The good news is you have me completely wrong."
DeleteYes? Completely?
America is a feminist nation, in a feminist age, a country that has led most of the other nations of the world into various forms of female-centered idolatry -- or fanned the ones already present, more often.
The Spirit of America is the spirit of rebellion against God, the same spirit that influenced Babylon, Jezebel, Athaliah and so on. It is the spirit of wickedness in the ephah that Zechariah witnessed. It is the goddess idol that stands emblematic of America, in the Great City's harbor, upon 'her own pillar' even as Zechariah witnessed, Libertas above the nation. A WOMAN rides the beast, and this is she. A greatly empowered woman, I might add.
You thanked the family of Phyllis George for her dedication as a trailblazer in a male-dominated industry (media -- which is now, btw, over-run by females/feminists, even FOX). I guess your wife is one of those trailblazers. You're proud of Phyllis and your wife for breaking down the male-dominated 'patriarchy' on the way to what now exists in America: female/feminist domination of education, media, law and the courts, corporations, and largely government/the State.
Fatherhood is in ruins in modern America, thanks to the feminist society embraced by all NWO organizations, from the UN on down. The Lord makes clear at the end of Zechariah what happens to nations where Elijah's pleas for father-restoration are ignored. Or worse.
Equality is a doctrine of Lucifer. So is female 'advancement'. God wants nations of obedient, humble women who largely manage the home and bear children. He does not want nations (like America) full of hard-charging, patriarchy-smashing empowered princesses.
The only ones who want women to be equal to men in 'male-dominated industries' are demons who seek the further destruction of fatherhood, masculinity, and family, and who champion the replacement of men in education, employment, and authority by elevated women as the new goddesses, en masse. Which indeed is now statistically the case both in education and employment in modern, improved America, where all that 'male-domination' now has been crushed.
Human beings got into all this trouble for two reasons: the female wanted to be like God, and thus (minimally) equal to the male. Because she was created and charged as the helper to, and comforter of, the male -- not as his supervisor, not as his competitor, not as his equal -- her desire was and is rebellion.
As recounted in the Bible, the FIRST and major sin of Adam was "listening to the voice of the woman" instead of listening to God. And here at the end of (standard) human history, here we all are again, and nothing has changed . . . instead it's gotten worse, and spread to the entire planet.
Christ is not going to rapture anybody out of this planet and into His 'new Eden' while they bear and promote the doctrines of the princes of this world. I'm not judging anybody. I am giving you and all others like-minded a warning.
Ray, bro all that is required for salvation and rapture is to believe in Jesus' sacrifice...
DeleteYou are not qualified to instruct me on spiritual matters. And you confirmed by example why.
DeleteDo you know what the time of trouble (tsaw-raw) cited in Daniel 12 means? It means the time of the female adversary. The adversary of God and of Michael.
It is THE troubled time for the nation, a time worse than any other in all history, due to the actions and effects of tsaw-rah, the female rival, female adversary -- vexer. The national affliction IS the female adversary, which has a distinct spirit but collectively is feminism.
Yet feminism is just as popular and ingrained in the Christian churches and households as in secular institutions. When I rebuke a person calling himself a pastor for rejoicing in women inevitably crashing the next 'male dominated' whatever, he claims he is not a feminist.
You show up and distract from the lesson that I was teaching you, him and others concerning what King Jeshua expects in his Kingdom. He does not join in your joy at women 'courageously' breaking down the 'patriarchy' that He wants and demands. Otherwise you get the society of the tsaw-raw, with fifty million abortions and legions of fatherless households. But hey, You Go Girl!
Tsaw-raw implies a narrow passage, a squeezing through a difficult strait. Likewise, the time of the power of the female adversary (now) is also when 'thy people shall be delivered' -- maw-lat, to escape by slipperiness. As through a narrow birth passage.
Those who carry the doctrines of feminism and female celebrationism will not pass through. They are part of the female-adversary problem, not part of the resistance, which shall be delivered.
Something interesting and prophetic going on with masking and unmasking. Perhaps a reminder that "what is hidden will be revealed."
ReplyDeleteTo wear a mask or not to wear a mask is a societal issue. The "masked singer" which ultimately involves an unmasking is a popular show. The "unmasking" of Michael Flynn is in the news cycle.
The 8/21/17 eclipse might have been a sign of this time of masking and unmasking. An eclipse can be seen as an event in which the sun is masked and then unmasked, hidden and then revealed. The "Masked Man" was a comic book crime-fighter published by Eclipse comics and first appearing in Eclipse the magazine #7.
We have three (3) eclipses coming from the D-Day Anniversary to July 4th and ALL of them will touch on United States territory. The second of which is an annular solar eclipse which will end virtually at the same spot as the last one which occurred on Boxing Day last year.
DeleteThe signs in the heavens are getting hard to keep up with!
More to share on this later...
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DeletePastor Rick I have a question about April 24, 2024 as some have pointed to it being the 3.5 year mark of the Tribulation. As of today we are 3 years 11 months and 5 days away. If that is the half way into the Tribulation, does Pentecost still work as the great snatching away? As some escatologist have suggested that the Church was conceived on Pentecost and we have been in the womb of the world, probably in the birth canal, beginning to crown. Jesus said these signs are birth pains and at the gathering together we are changed in a twinkling of an eye we are changed to incorruptible, completely born again body and spirit. With Pentecost being the timing of dispensational changes, what's the chance of this Pentecost? It only weeks away. Talk about coming like a thief in the night. Or are we to see more?
DeleteBrent,
DeleteCan the harpazo occur before the 1,260-day countdown to the mid-point? I don't see why not. That is to say can there be a gap between our departure and the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel? I think so.
Pentecost works as well as the Feast of Trumpets as watch dates according to my model. Going past FoT we're in new territory. If we see two-witnesses show-up on the world stage, and KNOW them not to be frauds, then we'll know. If we see a real move to build the Temple and construction begin? Then we'll know.
We should look for the imminent threat to the Body of Christ by war as well. (Think Rea Sea crossing). I don't think COVID-19 is the threat we should be looking for. I think COVID-19 is being used to deconstruct one system in lieu of another. We are literally waiting out a birth and as anyone who has children knows; you may be waiting a while!
Child birth happens when it happens. Even when you induce. Still we have metrics to go by, contractions, dilation, strength of contractions and the interval between them. Have we seen her water break? Considering what is happening in Galilee these days I think so. Paritally at least. The Dgania Dam has been opened and the Jordan River Valley is being watered by the Kinneret since the end of last month.
What about pushing? Are we praying? Do we make it our business to pray "Thy Kingdom come?!" You've got to push.
Some say there is more to see. I do not agree for many reasons not the least of which is,
9 Since, therefore, we have
now been justified by his
blood, much more shall we
be saved by him from the
wrath of God.
(Romans 5:9 ESV)
I believe that to mean saved from the totality of Daniel's 70th Week. We have no part in that event. It is for Israel as their time to draw near the LORD. Christ finished everything on the cross. Ours is the work of God. (John 6:29), (Romans 10:9-10)
Blessings
Very speculative to state that the Rapture would occur at Pentecost. I don't know, but I think that before the Rapture will occur, a war will erupt between Israel and her surrounding enemies.
DeleteWow, Moin!
DeleteI hope I didn't give you the impression that Pentecost was it! That's not what my response to Brent was about. Pentecost COULD be it not WOULD be it.
I try to measure my words -- so much can be read into them.
We should consider that the harpazo CAN happen anytime but will happen WHEN the LORD permits and executes in His time. I believe that watching per established pattern(s) given in Scripture is a wise thing to do. This is why I too feel that war MAY be a precursor to our being taken. CAN the LORD take us at anytime? Of course! Will He take us at anytime? I don't think that's a good way to frame the question.
God will act in His perfect time to the Glory of His Name.
Could that be over Shavuot? Sure, from our perspective. From His perspective? Will it be over Pentecost? We have many reasons to argue for or against but apart from special revelation from the LORD who knows? And if I did have special revelation from God Himself? How could I prove it? Most importantly, why would you believe me?
It is not ours to have the fullness of the mind of God. It is our to be faithful, humble, loving and obedient to the LORD while we wait, while we watch and while we witness.
All apologies if I made you think that I am saying, "the Rapture would occur at Pentecost." It *could* and that's all I can say. Could there be a gap between the harpazo and the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel?
Yes, I think there could be.
I try to keep one fact in mind. God doesn't operate by what will PROBABLY happen. (We do that!) God works in POSSIBILITIES not PROBABILITIES. To Him all things are possible but He will act according to His holy nature in perfection to the glory of His Name.
Keep looking UP! <--- A statement I will stick by!!!
I'm not saying that the rapture will happen at Pentecost, I just find it an interesting study. Like Pastor Rick stated above, just keep looking up.
DeleteSpeaking of water breaking, two damns in Edenville, MI failed, causing thousands of residents to evacuate. Water levels reached to roofs of park gazebo's along the downstream river.
DeleteThe Torah portion for the week is from Leviticus 25 and includes the Jubilee: It shall be a jubilee for you: each of you shall return to his holding and each of you shall return to his family.
ReplyDeleteThis is getting very interesting to say the least!
ReplyDeleteJordan’s King Abdullah II warned of “massive conflict” between his country and Israel if the Jewish state proceeds with annexing territory this summer in Judea and Samaria.
https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/150423/jordan-hints-theyll-wage-war-with-israel-if-judea-samaria-annexed/
Jordan appears to be mostly equipped with US made arms. Israel has a robust tech sector and has re-spun a variety of technologies into their own. Part of my last job as a systems engineer was supporting Israeli companies which develop weapon systems for the IDF.
DeleteI certainly wouldn't want to go up against Israel in a fight. Knowing G-d's affection for Israel, I absolutely wouldn't want to go up against them in a fight! Not unless some*thing* led me to believe I could win.
Hmmm, who could that be?
He has been trained in the US and Britain speaks with a British accent and welds a lot of influence in the Arab world. And just this Passover the Jews were denied the right to start there sacrifice twice one on the temple mount are and the other on mt olives, while the Muslims have freedom to go where they want without the social distancing thing. And now they are appealing to there supreme court. And Ramadan is coming up next week the 23rd I believe.
DeleteRyan my friend, you may be closer to the mark than we think. That the AC to come would be from among the *modern* day "upper room" does not strain credibility. Dare I say that he may come from the inner circle of influence? Judas Iscariot certainly did.
ReplyDeleteZeal Life...if that 508 days waiting is accurate, it is a great find...
ReplyDeletestrongs greek 508 is "upper room" and that reminds us of Pentacost again...
acts 1:13 seems to have been just a short time before Pentacost...maybe a few days...maybe 14 days...
we are now 14 days away from Pentacost...
Come Lord Jesus!
A DOUBLE-CHECK
ReplyDeleteI thought a double-check to confirm the day-count as to how long Israel has been without a government might be appreciated. Here's a look at what I found in a quick search,
Quoting, The Times of Israel,
"Israel has not had a fully functioning government for more than nine months — since December 26, 2018, when the 20th Knesset voted to dissolve itself."
Total day count from 12/26/18 to 5/17/20 is 508-days (509-days inclusive)
Strong's Concordance (G509)
anógeon: upper room.
Original Word: ἀνώγεον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: anógeon
Phonetic Spelling: (an-ogue'-eh-on)
Definition: upper room
Usage: an upper room.
Strong's Concordance (G509)
anóthen: from above
Original Word: ἄνωθεν
Part of Speech: Adverb
Transliteration: anóthen
Phonetic Spelling: (an'-o-then)
Definition: from above
Usage: (a) from above, from heaven, (b) from the beginning, from their origin (source), from of old, (c) again, anew.
Strong's Concordance (H508)
Elpaal: perhaps "God of doing," a Benjamite
Original Word: אֶלְפַּעַל
Part of Speech: Proper Name Masculine
Transliteration: Elpaal
Phonetic Spelling: (el-pah'-al)
Definition: perhaps "God of doing", a Benjamite
Strong's Concordance (H509)
alats: to urge
Original Word: אָלַץ
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: alats
Phonetic Spelling: (aw-lats')
Definition: to urge
This data confirms Ryan's report (above). I see every reason why 508-days is an accurate count. Indeed, it is a great find!
Strong's numbers are provided for those who want to have that information in hand. It is upon you to prayerfully consider this information as usual. I find (G508) and (G509) to be very interesting at first glance.
A SAD, SAD DAY
ReplyDeleteBy now some of you may heard of the loss of 431 Air Demonstration Squadron PAO Capt Jennifer Casey of Halifax, NS and the injury of her pilot Snowbird 11 Coordinator, Capt Richard MacDougall of the Canadian Forces Snowbirds in the crash of their CT-114 Tutor on Sunday, May 17, 2020 in Kamloops, BC.
The news of her loss leaves me speechless. As a matter of fact the only way I find words is in prayer where the LORD meets us and ministers to us in our time of greatest need. In prayer I lift the families of Capt Casey and Capt MacDougall as they come to grips with what has happened. I lift in prayer those who grieve the loss of one so blessed to be a part of what I personally consider the finest aerial demonstration team on the planet. I lift in prayer all Canada as this blow comes at a time when the nation looks skyward to see the Snowbirds during their national tour of encouragement and inspiration.
I admire those who are blessed to live the dream. As a pilot myself I know the risks of taking to the air but also know that in human terms nothing compares to breaking our earthly bonds to touch the skies. I grew up the son of a pilot and know the special place such a tight knit community makes in the life of one who flies. Even in my circles I have lost friends to flying accidents. We know the risks and we face them accordingly through training and professionalism. Yes, we make mistakes too which may exact an ultimate cost -- but in this case I see nothing but evidence of heroism in the face of a hopeless situation.
Capt MacDougall, may you quickly and fully recover from your injuries and have no long lasting effects from your ejection. I pray the LORD's peace to you and your family in this hour and the days, weeks and months to come. Our prayers are with you and for you in this most difficult time.
May I dedicate in Capt Casey's memory this telling of the sonnet "High Flight" written by Pilot Officer John Gillespie Magee Jr of the Royal Canadian Air Force written in August, 1941,
HIGH FLIGHT
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun-split clouds, — and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of – wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there,
I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air....
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace.
Where never lark, or even eagle flew —
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
– Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
Touching, PR. My dad was an Air Force pilot and my mother had this poem inscribed on a plaque for him. I remember it as well. Blessings, judi
DeleteI think it's rather important to observe as well that America, given it's prophetic role in scripture, is now completing it's 400 year prophetic cycle. As many students of scripture may well be away, 400 is very important in the Old Testament story of the Exodus of the Hebrews from the bondage of Egypt. It is a number of transition.
ReplyDeleteAMERICA THE VINEYARD AND THE YEAR 2020: THE 4,000 YEAR PROPHETIC CYCLE
https://endtimesdarknessdescending.wordpress.com/2020/05/17/america-the-vineyard-and-the-year-2020-the-400-year-prophetic-cycle/
400 is the numeric value of the 22nd Hebrew letter being "ת", "x", "+" (for modern, middle or ancient Hebrew) or "Tav". One way to express the years of Israel's bondage is found in the letter "+". When Israel encamped in the wilderness it was in the shape of the "+". The "x" is the mark given in (Ezekiel 9:1-11).
Delete400-years ago Puritan separatist were planning their defection, departure, apostasy from the Church of England as they felt it was too Catholic and not Protestant enough. On 11/11 by their calendar (11/21 by our calendar) the Puritans and secular settlers who embarked on the Mayflower landed in modern day Massachusetts. Barring Jamestown it is generally accepted that the colonization of America began with the Puritans at Plymouth Rock.
That event is celebrated as Thanksgiving Day.
"One way to express the years of Israel's bondage is found in the letter "+".
DeleteThat is most interesting because when one looks at an aerial view of the Washington D.C. Mall emblems, like the ancient Wilderness camp of Israel, it shares the same emblems that are around the throne of God in their respective locations and positions. They too form the shape of a cross, just as the ancient Wilderness Camp that surrounded the Tabernacle did.
We have an emblem built right into the Washington Mall that is a prophecy of the 400 years that America will fulfill it's purpose and destiny. Arguably, it is a timed prophecy of when the times of the Gentiles will conclude and the rapture may occur.
Interesting indeed.
"One way to express the years of Israel's bondage is found in the letter "+".
DeleteThat is most interesting because when one looks at an aerial view of the Washington D.C. Mall emblems, like the ancient Wilderness camp of Israel, it shares the same emblems that are around the throne of God in their respective locations and positions. They too form the shape of a cross, just as the ancient Wilderness Camp that surrounded the Tabernacle did.
We have an emblem built right into the Washington Mall that is a prophecy of the 400 years that America will fulfill it's purpose and destiny. Arguably, it is a timed prophecy of when the times of the Gentiles will conclude and the rapture may occur.
Interesting indeed.
Will this new government in Israel also speed up the rebuild of the Temple?
ReplyDeleteThe division of the Land is planned. On 9/13/93, Shimon Peres' Oslo Accords (precursor to the division) was signed at the White House. This occasion was notable as Arafat publicly shook hands with Rabin, I believe. On 9/13 in 2016, Peres had a stroke. He later died and was buried on 9/30 with many heads of state present, including Barack Obama. Strong's 913 Greek is Barak (judge of Israel). Peres means "breach" and ties back to the birth of Perez in Genesis. Shimon Peres was born in 1923 (see the 923?). 9/23/17 was a birthing in the heavens, and the 930th chapter of the Bible is Matthew 1 which also features a birthing. Now, "peres" in French means "fathers". Shimon Peres was called "The Last Founding Father of Israel". And we all know that the first founding father, Adam, died at 930 years of age.
ReplyDeleteSo let's consider this theme of "fathers and sons". Again: 930 (founding father Adam's age at death and the chapter where the child Immanuel is born); 923 (birthing of the child in 2017 and birthing of the Last Founding Father of Israel in 1923); the French word "peres" meaning "fathers" and in Hebrew "peres" means breach or divide and ties back to the birthing of the son Perez in Genesis (he was a twin). Then we have Matthew 23:9 which talks about the need to look at only God as a true father. Then we also have the fact that the name Shimon Peres is oddly similar to the name Simon Peter. Judas was also called the son of Simon. Peres met with Pope Francis and asked him to set up a United Nations for religions, an absurd idea. I find that quite interesting.
We could also say that the usage of Peres as the fourth word of Daniel's writing on the wall ties into the father and son theme because Belshazzar was listed as a son of Nebuchadnezzar. And in 930 Solomon's reign ended. He was the father of Rehoboam whose mocking speech foreshadowed his reign until 913, after which the kingdom of Israel was divided.
DeletePerhaps it is to say, the time for fathers is over, and now God's story has two sons that are coming up: the Son of Perdition, then the Son of Man. In that order.
DeleteMICHAEL JORDAN
ReplyDeleteLast NBA Season, I thought we will be Raptured because Toronto Raptors will win in the FINALS.
I just finished watching THE LAST DANCE at NETFLIX, it is a 5 week documentary showing the last season of Chicago Bulls, hence called as THE LAST DANCE.
Now as a Christian, are we in the last season of our life here on earth before we will be taken Up in the AIR? ( Air Jordan)
"Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."?
So many symbols that is relative to us.
a) BULLS - RED.... RED HEIFER this year?
b) Division - 1998 was the last season for all Jordan and his team as it will be divided, gone with the old, in with the new players since Jordan, RODMAN, Kerr and PIPPEN are old. In this case, during this 'last dance' of our life for 2020 is the division of the land of ISRAEL.
c) Emphasis on AIR - Michael is synonymous with " AIR "---excited for us to be CAUGHT UP to meet the LORD in the AIR.
d) JORDAN - Jordan was the leader of the BULLS (that is to be divided in the LAST DANCE) ....today JORDAN was the country to voice their grievances if a land will be annexed to and DIVIDED from.
e) The LAST DANCE was the most watched TV show during this GLOBAL LOCKDOWN. NBA is PRESENT in over 200 countries this 2020...In 1998, just over 80 countries...meaning, more people worldwide is watching a symbolic LAST DANCE.
f) MICHAEL - In the book of Daniel chapter 12 verse 1. It says, at the TIME OF THE END, MICHAEL will arise before TRIBULATION. Michael Jordan retired in 2003, ended his great run the Bulls in 1998. He was gone 22 Years at his PEAK. Today 2020...He is BACK and the most talked about personality in the world today. Even active players cant match his popularity today.
Lastly, I saw the possibility of 2020 Rapture with link from REV12Daily.
WHAT IF IT IS??
At the time of the END, MICHAEL that name will also arise. Michael Jordan was in the time of the RED BULLS 22 Years AGO.
2020 - MICHAEL is very popular and I can say back in the spotlight after 22 Years at his PEAK.
REVELATION 22:20 - AMEN COME LORD JESUS!
So, is it our LAST DANCE???
IMPORTANT - I am in no way saying MICHAEL JORDAN is JESUS....NO WAY, NEVER.
I am just so excited for the LORDs coming...I also hope this is our LAST DANCE.
MARANATHA!!
Ryan - Here are some interesting things about the raptors winning the NBA finals -
DeleteConfirmation of 923 as a Rapture Sign -
The Toronto Raptors have won the NBA finals 2019....---
both the Warriors and the Raptors had active players # 9 and # 23...
(9-23 = the date of Rev 12 sign) no other active numbers were represented on both teams -
Raptor #9 - Ibaka
Raptor #23 - Van Fleet
Warriors #9 - Iguodala
Warriors #23 - Green
Raptor and Rapture come from the same Latin root...Raptor is a Snatcher...Rapture is to be snatched...Raptor came to be a bird of prey that snatches up its prey...Rapture is the hope of believers to be snatched up to glory when Jesus comes in the clouds...(John 14).
The Raptors also had an active player number 7....The Raptors are very possibly the Rapture sign team (at least that is the way it seems to me). God is good!
Another Confirmation of 9-23 as a rapture sign -
DeleteBefore the sign even come up in the sky -
note that the greatest aviation mystery in history is the missing of malaysia flight 370 -
note that in malaysia sept 23rd is recorded as 239
it was a boeing 777
The Boeing 777 carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing vanished March 8, 2014...
https://www.foxnews.com/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-disintegrated-into-confetti-in-crash-where-captain-may-have-run-amok-report-reveals
Missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 was deliberately flown out into the Indian Ocean before disappearing – although why and by whom remains a mystery, a long-awaited report from the Malaysian government has concluded. ... Flight MH370 vanished with 239 people on board en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing in March 2014.
And if crossing the Jordan into the Promised Land is a type of the Rapture and the Rapture is "meeting the Lord in the air" then the Last Dance of Air Jordan is quite interesting.
DeleteIn 1995 Jordan came out of retirement with 17 games left in the regular season. After having worn #23 his entire career, Jordan wore #45 for those last 17 regular season games. In the playoffs, he switched back to #23 after playing a total of 23 games with #45. Three years later was the last dance season of 1998.
In 2017, Trump became 45th President which was followed by the Rev. 12 sign on 23rd of Sept. Three years later is now. (12 by the way is the only other number Jordan wore in his NBA career-for one game in 1990.)
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-18-2020/
ReplyDeleteGantz vows to advance Trump peace plan and ‘everything it contains’.
New defense minister says he’s ‘committed to do everything possible to advance diplomatic agreements’ and work for peace, stops short of backing unilateral annexation.
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/zoom-with-us-an-online-talk-on-bibi-s-5th-term-a-new-mideast-and-china-1.8842577
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ReplyDeleteI just found an interesting news article today.
ReplyDeleteAstronomers announce the discovery of the first black hole located in a star system visible to the naked eye. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HR_6819
This black hole is relatively close to us and its neighboring star (HR 6819) can be seen from earth but only south of the 33rd parallel. Interestingly that parallel (latitude) runs through northern Israel. So almost all Israel can see this part of the sky but Europe cannot see it nor most of the USA (only the most southern states). That sounds prophetic to me, most of Europe and the USA are spiritually blind except the born again Christians who understand Bible prophesy.
I checked this with Stellarium and interestingly this “new” black hole is located in front of Sagittarius (antichrist) and in front of the CORONA Australis Constellation. Is this prophetically saying the rapture is just ahead of the Coronavirus?
I don't know that exact significance but I know that black holes make things disappear (swallows up all matter and light) and a black hole seems to be a gateway to another dimension. Isn't this a type of the RAPTURE of sudden disappearance of those who MATTER to God, those who are the LIGHT of the world today will suddenly disappear in the eyes of the world. The black hole itself cannot be seen but they know its there. Also this new black hole is in astronomic terms kind of close by. The RAPTURE date cannot be known but we know its there and very close.
Poaching a post from TimFoster405
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Re: Dividing the Land...and the consequences thereof:
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Finally, the Jewish State of Israel [Prophetically "Judah"] has a government with two leaders - two princes - Bibi Netanyahu and Benny Gantz. At the swearing ceremony, Bibi stated He and his leaders were going to annex the West Bank Settlements - Just as it says in Hosea 5 - "Princes of Judah move a boundary Line".
[Hosea 5:8-13]:
8 Blow the horn in Gibeah,the trumpet in Ramah. Sound the alarm at Beth-aven;
we follow you, O Benjamin! [Gantz and Netanyahu]
9 Ephraim [USA] shall become a desolation in the day of punishment; among the tribes of Israel [Western nations] I make known what is sure.
10 The princes of Judah [[Bibi and Benny]] have become like those who move the landmark;
[[Annex the West Bank Settlements - JUST ANNOUNCED]] upon them I will pour out my wrath like water.
11 Ephraim [[USA]] is oppressed, crushed in judgment, because he was determined to go after filth.
13 When Ephraim saw his sickness, and Judah his wound, then Ephraim went to Assyrian [[O - now on the scene]] and sent to the great king. But he is not able to cure you or heal your wound.
14 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, [[USA - Christians]] and like a young lion to the house of Judah. [[Jews]] I, even I, will tear and go away; [[innocents taken]] I will carry off, and no one shall rescue.
Hi Charlie I interpret this scripture that exact same way. The usa is ephraim as well as egypt and mystery babylon. It is the melting pot of the nations.
DeleteThe Great American Solar Eclipse 1.0 and 2.0 may *agree* with you as they converge at Little Egypt in Southern Illinois.
DeletePastor Rich....I have official NASA ground tracks of the exact centerline of the eclipse in 2017 and the one coming up on Apeil 8th, 2024.
DeleteI Google earthed the exact intersecting coordinates...and have the probably unknowing homeowners photo. I plan on going to southern Illinois unannounced someday possibly in 2021 or 2022. Can you imagine the commercial opportunities this owner could benefit from. They would be swamped with offers to pay for selfies etc....merchandise marketing....and who knows what TV offers.
I spent a lot of effort making a folder for them, but yet I will ask for nothing. I just dont want them to lose out on such a unique opportunity. Their home is out in a rural area.
On one sign of that eclipse crossing point is Little Egypt... on the other side is 'Future City' which has it's lines drawn up but nothing has been built yet...
DeleteInteresting.
Stop with the space crap.Virgin Galactic Richard Branson cannot get past the Dome and he knows it. The Military, NASA and others knows it.
ReplyDeleteThere is no adjusting for curvature and speed of the earth in flight paths of any craft.
What you see is an unlimited budget of CGI and Lie's to the public and education.
There are patents on file for faster than light speed space craft for decades.
The Military in there own documents says so.
God made a firmament remember.
Gregg....As a helicopter and airplane pilot....I am not even going to waste any time on trying to prove what is so obvious.
ReplyDeleteI know its hard to believe what you think is reality isn't.
DeleteAsk any airliner pilot how he goes from A to B, but of coarse you already know that!
He makes no course adjustment for speed of the earth or curvature of the earth( and that can be googled "Earth Curvature Calculator".
If the earth is spinning at the supposed speed with a curvature, well the consequences would be devastating.
The earth is exactly the way God made it, flat and Domed!
DeleteI remember in the first episode of "Cosmos" Carl Sagan shared that in the episodes to come we would follow the evidence no matter where it took us. Immediately thereafter he got stuck on an evolutionary track and never climbed out of that ditch.
DeleteSo sad.
I'm with you Stan. I'm with you...one pilot to another.
PS> I found that plot of land you mentioned above regarding the eclipse. Last time around the locals painted lines on the ground marking out path. I'll be the owners of that land already know what's coming.
The question is, do they know WHO'S coming?
Now that's the question! : )
short version:
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO0a0_MqTTc
long version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEaHjPF47_E&list=PLDufWBjLWaMQrSay_MMqPff_OzPTARQen&index=8
Gregg...I havent the patience or enough words to explain how an airplanes that is trimmed out, has its center of gravity pulling directly towards the center of the earths sphere...that is in brevity how and why a pilot doesnt constantly add forward inputs keep dropping the nose to follow the curve of the earth. This is only in an absolutely non changing atmosphere anyway, which NEVER will exist.
ReplyDeleteBut to be honest, the atmospheric adjustments, thermals, changing wind speeds, and temperature changes enroute keep the pilot or autopilot constantly busy changing inputs, and while doing all these inputs to maintain straight and level flight, a curve is being drawn that is the radius from the center of the earth to the altitude the plane is flying at.
I am not going to say one more word on this topic as no amount of words or actual visible proof would change your mind.
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DeleteYes, look at Enoch. http://greggpierce.net/Introduction/thegospels/BookOfEnoch.pdf
DeleteThe Angel Uriel that keeps THE LAW OF THE STARS.
There you go again "Gravity". More like boyency and density!
ReplyDeleteWe are taught that gravity some how holds like glue the atmosphere to the earth.
Isn't the nature of a gas to fill its container? and the earth is a ball in the vacuum of space.
The links I put up above short version and long version.
Heck the Military says the same thing.
Firmament means sky. It is not "firm". Look at the Hebrew word!!!!!
DeleteWhy are all the other planets round if the earth is flat?
Isaiah says God sits enthroned above the circle of the earth!!!
I work in aviation as well. Those youtube videos are a bunch of absolute nonsense.
Flat earth makes Christians look crazy, foolish and it is an awful witness. Gregg please stop.
Antarctica the longest lasting treaty in the history of the world.
DeleteYou can not get there without permission from the military, and its the coldest place on the earth. It is not a Continent, its an ice shelf that circles the earth.
Time magazine 10 miles high recorded everything he saw.
The next time your outside looking at the moon, just look at it, that's not a reflection it has is own light.
Bottom line:
ReplyDeleteThe Earth doesn't move!
Explain parabolic flight then. ICBMs. Satellite triangulation. Etc etc etc.
DeleteI hope that nonbelievers who come to this site or new believers who come here do not see the comments of flat earthers.
What a way to make people stumble.
HaHaHaHA you makn me laugh mang!
Deleteits ok, at least itll get um to think out the box.
One of my customers at my last job was Teledyne-Brown for whom I provided engineering support for testing and deployment of the HD camera control systems on the ISS. It's fun to check-in to see those quad-core Sandy Bridge based servers at work.
DeleteThe ancient Egyptians calculated the circumference of the Earth long long ago using measuring sticks and counting distance between measuring points. By measuring the length of the shadows cast by the sun at a given time of day they were able to calculate the circumference of the Earth to a high degree of accuracy. We can still do this experiment today. With greater accuracy too!
We lost so much through the destruction of the library in Alexandria. Scientific observations made in their time had to wait until the enlightenment to be rediscovered.
Years after Cosmos was first filmed, the Sagans updated the series with new content and tagged-on "Cosmos Updates" at the end of each episode. I will never forget that on episode 13, Carl said (paraphrasing here) that if you take into account all of creation it is almost as if there was a God who was behind it all.
I find hope in that statement that he may have come to, or was coming into, a personal relationship with the Lord before he passed.
So, for the record, [although I doubt that anyone cares] PR is not into chem trails, solar simulators, alien visitors or a flat earth. YMMV. I can be called many things...above all I prefer to be called, "Christian".
But if you'd like to see some great video demonstrating the separation of evening and morning? Check this out.
Blessings
Some Earth Observations:
Deletehttp://greggpierce.net/Introduction/thegospels/earth%20obsevations.pdf
Pastor Rich
DeleteFunny you should mention Egypt. The pillar of whiteness, Cheops pyramid which sits in the middle and on the border of Egypt could not be duplicated with today's technology.
Ah yes Carl Sagan has all of the finger prints of the globalist.
DeleteDo you real think they would fund a person who thought other wise?
You have no idea the depths these people go to keep there lie a lie.
They own the media, all of it! Prince of the power of the air, yea!
The kids come home from school regurgitating the vomit of these lair's.
Gregg I implore you. Please just stop.
Deleteparabolic flight, don't know bout that. But the Mirrors can drill a nice hole in a mountain.
ReplyDeleteAs far as Satellites are concerned, they cannot exist the way NASA say the can.(in the ionosphere where the temp melts aluminum and titanium.
Gregg, your..... interesting. Be sure, when you Raptured, to look back at the Earth!
ReplyDeleteI will do that....that's interesting you said that, hope Im not on the other side of the Globe!
DeleteHey, Gregg...you just admitted that Earth is a globe. :)
DeleteHonestly, don't look back... 'Remember Lot's wife...'
DeleteI feel the Lord Jesus was directly addressing people who make the shape of the Earth a primary doctrine in their lives. Don't look back to figure out if you were right or wrong about it. Just keep your eyes on Him...
"Don't Look Back" is one of my favourite songs from Boston! Gotta dig on that one tonight.
DeleteScience arrives in the form of multi-volume, peer reviewed studies that are many years in the making. Conspiracy theories arrive in the form of YouTube videos. The deification of science is the enemy, not science itself.
ReplyDeleteDW
Actually the next time you do look at the moon what ever phase its in, where is the dark side? Its looks transparent. Especially during the day!
ReplyDeleteOk....Im done!
ReplyDeleteThank God.
Delete...what a horrible troll.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tizn8TJUfuo
ReplyDeleteNext most likely Fall New Moon in Jerusalem to fulfill Trumpets is 9/17/2020. Add 2550 days (1260 + 1290) to arrive at 9/11/2027. Interestingly, from 9/11/01 to 9/11/2027 is 26 years, or 13 + 13 years. The first 13 years from 2001 take you to 2014, which began the blood moon tetrad. This is when the prophecy community really began to look seriously at celestial events, and this led to the Revelation 12 sign.
Looks like we should be on high watch between 5/29/20 and 9/17/20. Interestingly, it is precisely 111 days between these two dates.
You have just outlined my current timeline model. I have also noted an increase in *awareness* of the numbers, "11" and "111".
Delete26-YEARS
Delete26 is the number of the Name which is the hint of the inexpressible Name of G-D according to Jewish tradition. We render it as,
יהוה
...in Hebrew. It is typically spoken as "Adonai" or "HaShem". We simply know Him as,
JESUS.
(Exodus 6:2-3 ESV)
Ravi Zacharias died today - FYI. Along with Billy Graham and Chuck Missler, this is significant.
ReplyDeleteAlso, to address the above argument concerning cosmology. A little humility I think is required here on both sides. This is not a salvation issue. There ARE scriptures which seem to indicate that the Earth is immobile, that there is a firmament which sits like a tent over the Earth, and that above the firmament there is water. These scriptures cannot be taken literally and be reconciled with modern scientific cosmology. On the other hand, Newtonian mechanics, Quantum mechanics, etc HAVE resulted in tremendous technological advancements which are readily apparent. On the other hand, if you look at Project Paperclip and Werner Von Braun, Marvel "Jack" Parsons and the origins of JPL, and the occult symbolic nature of the Apollo missions as well as NASA in general, there DOES seem to be a satanic and deceptive aspect to the space program. I have looked at these things in depth, and it currently seems to be another rabbit hole without end (not unlike 911). I don't think we're going to get an answer to these questions right now. I think we should trust scripture as being absolutely true, and in that is our ultimate hope. The scriptures are the solid rock upon which we can place our trust, and all scripture points to the person of Jesus Christ.
RE: RZ
DeleteWhile Ravi was a great defender of the faith and a gift to Christianity, he wobbled a bit by calling Mormons brothers-in-Christ (while we know those in the Mormon cult are NOT brothers in the Lord Jesus Christ). He became a neo-evangelical and somewhat of an ecumenalist like BG was. Much like FG is today (aka friends with the world and its associations).
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RE: God's Earth
Psalm 104
Agreed on all points. I was not a follower of his ministry, or a supporter. However, it may be a significant event nonetheless.
DeletePsalm 104 is one of the best examples of Biblical cosmology. This cannot be reconciled with scientific cosmology. Hugh Ross attempts to do so, but I personally consider his ministry to be somewhat disingenuous, if not outright controlled opposition. And I have a background in science and mathematics, hold a degree in physics, and practice medicine.
NASA has a red snake tongue on their official logo. I find things like the moon landing to be very real manifestations of the same spirit that was described as ascending to the heavens in Isaiah 14. Elon Musk is embracing this same spirit today.
DeleteManned spaceflight is a pointless boondoggle that has resulted in very little scientific data that we couldn't otherwise obtain much more cheaply by means of unmanned rovers and such.
DeleteOF RAVI ZACHARIAS
DeleteI never met the man and only knew him by watching select speaking engagements. He appeared to be a brilliant speaker and gifted expositor and apologist. I believe he served the LORD with all his heart.
As to if his going home today is of significance?
Not unless you think it significant that the LORD called Ravi Home on Ascension Day.
Today is Omer Day 40 folks.
Biggest Storm in 20 Years Spurs South Asia to Evacuate Millions -
ReplyDeletehttps://www.yahoo.com/news/cyclone-amphan-indian-officials-brace-080455505.html
www.itwasaplan.com
Luke 21:25 / Luke 21:28
Orthodox (aka Noahides) Take Control In Netanyahu’s Coalition
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12min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr6W96xTa-M
If the earth were flat,
ReplyDeletethe cats would have knocked everything off by now.
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AMEN, JENNY!!!
DeleteAs a lifelong catman, I’d have to agree.
DeleteDW
Unfortunately, you are making a straw man argument, which is a classic technique when arguing from a weak position. The Bible does not say "the Earth is flat". It DOES say, that the Earth is motionless, laid on an immovable foundation, and covered by a firmament which is spread like a tent. Above the firmament is water. Again, this is not a salvation issue. However, making flippant remarks does not really address the fundamental question. I'm reasonably certain no one who reads or contributes to this site has either been to outer space or Antarctica. Correct me if I am wrong. Second hand knowledge of people who worked on this or that project isn't in itself evidence. Personally, I am not sure what to conclude regarding this issue. I do think some deception is at work regarding NASA and the space program. Remember Apollyon (a form of Apollo) is specifically named in Revelation as rising from the Abyss. Tom Horn has discussed this extensively in some of his books. Patrick Heron has also discussed this. I think some humility and respect for one another is warranted regarding this matter. We may all be surprised about the true nature of our reality after the Rapture occurs.
DeleteConcerning the flat earth debate, we can ask a few questions that may help lead us to a conclusion.
DeleteHow can the seasons be explained with a flat earth?
Observation shows the sun moving North (closer to, what would be the center of a “flat earth”) in summer and moving South (toward the flat earth outer edge) during winter. This creates a problem. The sun would travel a much shorter path in the summer than in the winter making summer shorter than winter. It’s not. OR, the sun travels slower in the summer and faster during the winter meaning the sun travels at different speeds throughout the year. It doesn’t. This model doesn’t work.
How can there be night and day on a flat earth at the same time?
Observation shows that precisely half the earth is experiencing day and the other half night. How does light from the sun (an object high enough in the sky to not have it’s view impeded by anything on a flat surface) travel to every part of exactly half of the earth but when these rays reach the halfway point they stop and completely cease to be visible.
Observation also shows the sun rising up and dipping below the horizon each day. This can’t be unless the sun is coming up and going down outside of Antarctica. Which would make the seasons impossible.
What is an ellipse of the moon?
What large object is coming between the sun and moon to cause a shadow? If we are on a flat earth, why can’t we see this “large object”?
That’s just a few questions. There are many more that cause real issues for the flat earth model to overcome. These phenomena can be explained using a globe model.
Hopefully I’m not starting an argument here, I just think if we apply some reasoning and logic based on observation, we can probably lay bare the truth of the matter.
All valid points. There are possible answers to these questions, but this forum does not permit an in depth study. We do know that multiple independent observers have been unable to verify the expected curvature of the Earth over long distances with ground-based measurements. This definitely raises some questions. Also, cosmology can present a serious challenge for the doctrine of Biblical inerrancy. If the verses which describe the Earth as immobile are in error, or are not to be taken literally, then what does that mean for the rest of scripture? Attempts to reconcile these verses with modern scientific cosmology are problematic at best. I don't have the answer. I do think there is something here which we do not fully understand (yet). I also think it's quite possible that the degree of deception we are living with in this world is far greater than we realize.
Delete“We Christians must be different from the philosophers in the way we think about the causes of these things. And if some are beyond our comprehension, we must believe them and admit our lack of knowledge rather than either wickedly deny them or presumptuously interpret them in conformity with our understanding.” – Martin Luther.
Delete"If the verses which describe the Earth as immobile are in error, or are not to be taken literally, then what does that mean for the rest of scripture?"
DeleteMy friend, have a seat next to my fireplace and let's discuss this purported Biblical inerrancy...
How exciting are those numbers! Thanks for sharing guys.
ReplyDeleteRE-POST FROM ABOVE: OF RAVI ZACHARIAS
ReplyDeleteI never met the man and only knew him by watching select speaking engagements. He appeared to be a brilliant speaker and gifted expositor and apologist. I believe he served the LORD with all his heart. Father I pray you bless this family in their time of sorrow. We all know that we leave this life to the fullness of LIFE never-ending through Christ Jesus our Lord, yet still we who are left behind deal with so much in the face of such change.
Be with those who grieve and the hurting in their time of sorrow. Remind them again the reason for your coming and our destination in the end through faith in Christ Jesus the Lord.
As to if his going home today is of significance?
Not unless you think it significant that the LORD called Ravi Home on Ascension Day.
Today is Omer Day 40 folks.
Keep looking UP!
As a believer in Jesus I've also wondered about our home here on Earth. As a child I never could grasp how earth was a ball spinning around and that being because of a magical big bang that created the so named universe. At 20 I was saved. I'm 45 now and I've grown much with God and Jesus. Some years ago I visualized creation from Genesis 1 in depth. To say this simply I just see that God created Earth from under the waters, he set a substance called the firmament above it to divide the waters and he set the moon, sun and all the stars inside this firmament. Job 38 gives unique details of Earth including the ends of it and the foundation underneath. Revelation 7:1 shows how 4 angels will physically stand upon the 4 corners of the earth. Also in Job 38 God asked Job if he has seen the breadth of the Earth and even told him the ends of the Earth stand as a garment. I know that NASA has shown many pictures of the whole Earth but they've also confessed those pictures were photoshopped. Any video I've seen of a rocket or high altitude balloon shows only a portion of the Earth and based on the camera and it's twisting it shows the horizon as level or rounded or both. Lastly, Joshua told both the sun and moon to stand still and they did as God hearkened to him for about the space of 1 whole day in Joshua 10:12-13. I also believe by my own eyes observation that the sun is much smaller than the Earth and it definitely rotates around us. I hopefully don't offend by posting this but I just base what I know about Earth from the Bible and by what I see vs someone showing me pictures that they admit are not accurate. Ok, 1 last thing for real. If the sun replaced the star that never moves named Polaris then every eye on Earth would see it at the same time. Sounds like how every eye will see Jesus at the same time which is not possible on a ball.
ReplyDelete"I know that NASA has shown many pictures of the whole Earth but they've also confessed those pictures were photoshopped."
DeleteNo, they really are smart enough to go up there. They bit the apple BIG TIME.
Dr. Faulkner does a much better, in-depth analysis (than I could ever do) of these statements in the Bible (4 corners of the Earth; discussion of the firmament; details found in Job), a great read found here. I like this statement he made about the Wisdom of God:
Delete"... the Bible does not explicitly endorse any cosmology. This is a good thing, and it is consistent with God’s wisdom. If God had endorsed in Scripture an ancient cosmology, those who believed some other ancient cosmology would have dismissed the Bible on the basis that the Bible’s cosmology was wrong ... what if God had endorsed the modern cosmology? Then people up to relatively recent times would have dismissed the Bible, because, in their minds, it taught the wrong cosmology."
Let God be true, and every servant of our beyond genius Lord, humble. The creator of the heavens and the earth shows such patience towards us. This is what I can boast about, and this is what I KNOW, (and only through the grace of God) and that is Christ Jesus crucified. Thank you Jesus! I love and appreciate this site, a real gift and life line. God's blessings, grace and mercy on all His children.
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As far as the flat earth thing, im not going there except to say its hard for me to believe that people still believe that in this day and time.
ReplyDeleteI would however like to broach a subject that many Christians believe but I think the scientists are right on. A lot of believers think that the earth is only 6000 yrs. and scientists think it could be in the billions of years old. I agree with the latter.
Genesis 1:1 says "in the beginning God created the heavens and earth. If you do a careful study of verse 2 you will see the word "was" in the kjv is in italics which means that it was added by the translator. The word that belongs there is the word "became."
God didnot create everything without form and void that makes no sense, it became that way. In between verse 1 and 2 there could indeed have been billions of years that elapsed.
During this time the "first" earth was the era of the dinosaurs and later some kind of prehistoric humanoid man. And then the original rebellion of Lucifer and the war in heaven which likely destroyed the earth making it without form and void.
The earth we live on now was renovated.
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DeleteTo add to your topic and exploration, Mainer...
DeleteQuestion: Is the speed of light (c) a constant? If your answer is "yes" then you get an ancient Earth. If your answer is "no" then the Biblical timeline makes sense.
Genesis Science Research
GSR Updates (Youtube)
This interview of Barry Setterfield by Chuck Missler is an excellent primer to the general topic of Zero Point Energy (ZPE) and the decreasing speed of light, Issachar Insight - Chuck Missler and Barry Setterfield (45:06).
Having studied the sciences to a very high level I can say that there are a ton of "proofs" that what we see and deem old by "science" mostly use circular arguments to state the age. For example, fossils are deemed very old by the age of the rock or because it supposedly a long time for fossils to form. Look up Flash Fossilization and you realize that it really can happen quite quickly. Great Flood would be the "perfect storm" to bring dinosaurs to an end and at the same time could present the needed process for fast fossilization. Carbon dating is grossly flawed and uses too many assumptions to be more accurate than just several thousand years. Could the Earth (mass or rock) have existed for a long time before God transformed it 6000 years ago.. sure. But I believe that the dinosaurs roamed with man up until the flood and were created with all of the other animals.
DeleteI agree with you, Unknown. The more I've explored the Creation/Evolution debate, the more I learn towards young Earth Creation. But there are whole websites dedicated to this topic and a small post here doesn't do it justice.
DeleteAnd it isn't a salvation issue, so disagreement is perfectly acceptable.
I also agree with you Unkown, having studied the creation/evolution drbate for many years. The Gap Theory as this is known as, puts a gap between Gen1:1 and Gen1:2. It has been refuted by much more able men by me and would take much more than this post to refute here, as Sherrill777 quite rightly says. Have a look at Creation.com, where all these questions have been researched and answers provided by extremely well educated people. One example is https://creation.com/from-the-beginning-of-the-creation and another is Dr Jonathan Sarfati's commentary on Gen 1-11.
ReplyDeleteWe are told throughout scripture that God made the earth in 6 days (not 6 days and 14 billion years), that he made male and female AT THE BEGINNING OF CREATION and that death only entered when man sinned, bot at some indeterminate time in the past.
I am happy to rely on God's word. After all the God that can tell Daniel that Jesus would be presented on a day and time hundreds of years in advance of it actually happening and have that borne out by actual day counts is not only trustworthy but eminently praiseworthy!
I’ll try to keep this succinct, but these topics in general easily make me cranky. The better part of me cautions against saying anything in this setting, but I’m going to.
ReplyDeleteThe Bible is not a “science book”, nor was it ever intended to be. The Bible isn’t a “history book”, though it certainly does contain plenty of history. The Bible doesn’t tell us EVERYTHING, and that never was its intention. If it’s purpose was to tell us everything, we would have about 50 volumes, each as dense as the one we have now, and very little of it would get read. Instead, the Bible tells us what we NEED to know, in a spiritual sense, and it does so beautifully. Try to imagine at the outset, creating one volume with the purpose of addressing mankind throughout all the various eras of history, and across the vast cultures, and doing it concisely and clearly.
We were created with robust minds, and encouraged to use them; when they’re used with particular intensity, focus, and documentation, the result is science. Of course science is sometimes used badly, and that’s part of the story of our catastrophically flawed nature. But to cast aside or even minimize the basics of science, is to reject the basis of what we are as created beings. All the rest fits hand and glove with our fallen state.
As mentioned at the outset, this topic makes me cranky, and sometimes I say things best described as unkind. I’m trying very hard to avoid that. We need to use our minds as robustly and imaginatively as was the created intention, not retreating into the first, fearful, over-simplistic, and superstitious utterance. (There are vast numbers of YouTube videos that serve that purpose all too well. And if that’s not enough, a near equally large number of appalling “commentators” in other media.)
In truth, I think God “uses” science...always has, and always will. And I think that in our latter stage, we’ve discovered some of those building blocks. Forgive me, for I am not a thorough student of Scripture. But there’s a passage somewhere relating to mankind, that indicates (paraphrasing) “the very powers of Heaven will be shaken”. Exactly, and that’s where we are.
DW
The links I provided (above) are related to young earth (Biblical) model and not gap theory. Yes, this topic is far too in-depth to address in a short post here thus the links provided. If anyone is interested in the journey of discovery of a fellow Christian from a scientific standpoint? Those links may be of interest.
ReplyDeleteNOTE: One thing that you will run into regarding Chuck Missler are his thoughts on a holographic universe or creation as a simulation. I'm not on-board that idea but am very on-board with what Barry Setterfield shares in his studies of light-speed, time and the zero-point energy.
I highly recommend review of Barry's work as it offers answers to many questions raised by Scripture that we in general are not equipped to attack.
Happy hunting
BIBLICAL WATERMARKS
ReplyDeleteAnother website of Biblical teaching from a mathematical/scientific standpoint is,
The Living Word
This is another resource, also from an Australian researcher, that offers a deep if not rich dive into the Word that goes beyond most teachers.
Don't forget! The languages of the Bible are Greek and Hebrew. Languages which use letters as numbers. Therefore the Bible is mathematical as well as literary. Truth is represented in many ways and one of them is numerically. This website does a good job of explaining that and showing patterns and watermarks of God in His Living Word.
Happy hunting (again)
The earth we live on now is 6000 yrs. old (close to it) and the earth as we know it was built in 6 days, it was paradise and would be now if Adam hadnt messed up. I didnt say anything that contradicts that. However, the original earth in Genesis 1:1 could be millions or billions of years old. I think this is a rare occasion where the bible and science can agree. Evolution is obviously bunko and many respected scientists have been flipped on this.
ReplyDeleteIf Noah had to fit two adult brontosauruses on the ark it would accomodate them and maybe a few tricerotops plus the food they would need and thats about it. I like Sherrills comment that this isnt a matter of salvation so im not hellbound for believing this.
However I will look at some of these sources mentioned supporting the young earth theory.
The Bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go.
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Delete“Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.” 2 Peter 3: 2-7(KJV)
ReplyDeleteNote the "earth standing out of the water and in the water" part above. Also note the willful ignorance. Man's pride cannot be plumbed. The human heart is wicked to its festering core. Praise Jesus, He has provided us a way out of this mess.
Anonymous, in my opinion this passage from 2 Peter actually supports my position. I dont believe this is talking about Noahs flood, for this reason. Notice where it says "But the heavens and the earth which are now"...
ReplyDeleteWhen Noahs flood happened the "heavens" were not affected by it. This is referring to the destruction of the original earth created in Genesis 1:1.
We didnt end up with a new heaven and earth after Noahs flood.
Pastor Rich, after thinking about the speed of light question ive concluded that it has been constant since Genesis 1:1. When God created everything he also established the laws of physics which the topic of light speed would be part of. No I dont believe that God "slowed down" the speed of light after creation. It never changed.
I do agree with you on one thing, I also liked Boston, a great band. Its sad what happened to Brad Delp.
I have a more in depth study prepared that explains my side of this in more detail if anyones interested. If not I wont bother.
Getting to a point and NOT playing devil's advocate...
ReplyDeleteThe speed of light is ONLY constant under specific conditions and assumptions.
(In a vacuum; assuming photons have no mass, etc).
We make empirical observations and postulate "facts" and theorems based on said currently accepted "facts".
The thing is, facts change as we know and grow our knowledge base.
That is, theories are NOT facts.
(If you study the history of "modern" medicine and bodily humors, then you'll know what I mean!)
One of the most commonly held, though widely refuted theories, of course, is that of evolution.
Any real scientist knows it's bunk!
We have never observed any evidence of evolution of any type.
However, we have ample evidence to refute it - ENTROPY!
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THE POINT IS, when God did create the universe, he did so OUTSIDE of or OPPOSITE HIS LAWS!
AMAZING!
He brought forth something from nothing.
(First Law of Thermodynamics says it should have always existed - right; matter can neither be created or destroyed; E = mc2 [no mathematics keys)]
Then, there's the second law which deals with entropy.
This creates a conundrum for proponents of evolution and the Big Bang THEORY.
Their origin of the universe requires a radical departure from how the physical world REALLY operates! That is, their "science" doesn't work with the accepted laws of science - and that's only 2 of them!
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The more I learn about the Gap THEORY, the more it makes sense to me from both a Biblical and scientific perspective. It also pays heed to the creation of angelic beings and the timing of the fall (Isaiah) prior to that of mankind. It's really more of an OLD creation; man has only been an occupant these past 6,000 or so years. Especially when we recall that God exists outside of time - He created time for US!
One more scienc-y thing: we don't know and can never state with any degree of certainty about beginnings and origins of anything because we do not know the conditions! Physics with regard to Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, Thermodynamics, and Electromagnetism (light) ALL make assumptions based on empirical analyses under CURRENT observable conditions (er, 350+ years ago with a nod to Newton). The fact is, we don't know - we're making assumptions based on what we know now!
It's like Aristotle said: "The more you know, the more you realize you don't know."
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The fact is our world does work and it's so amazingly astoundingly brilliant it's mind boggling!
Eco systems, bodily organs and vascular systems, the capabilities of the human brain, our planetary system (Hey, Pluto's back to being a planet now!) - they all WORK!
Because our Creator God said so.
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P.S. It's MY THEORY that dinosaurs were an experiment by the devil, Satan, to pervert God's creation - same as with the Nephilim. God is a God of sense and order and dinosaurs largely don't. And, if He'd wanted them "saved", then Noah would have included them on the ark.
Creationism : Geology and biology :: Phrenology : Neuroscience
ReplyDeleteDinosaurs were wiped out approximately 66 million years ago. The Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old. The observable universe is approximately 13.8 billion years old.
"Creationist scientist" is an oxymoron. Yes, God even numbers the hairs on a little baby's head. But creationists have this kooky notion that God had to have "intervened" at some point during recorded history to have altered things like cell structure. They look for gaps in the fossil record to try to claim that at some point there was a quantum leap in the organization of biological complexity.
Looking for scientific theories or facts in the Bible is like consulting "Moby Dick" to glean tips on how to make Thanksgiving dinner. It's a category error.
Zach, I'm a creationist and have strong opinions about the science behind it, but I can share my view without demeaning the other side. Can you?
DeleteAnd no, the Bible is not like Moby Dick. The Bible is God's perfect revelation to mankind.
Emperical science and the Bible go together perfectly.
DeleteTheoretical "science" conprised of the lies that are systematically taught in our society as "science" is in fact fiction.
It was not my intent to demean anyone. I don't think I did that. However, I apologize if my words were taken in that manner.
DeleteGod has abstracted himself from humans' empirical reality. He exists wholly apart from and above it. Therefore science, which deals only with empirical reality, has no access to what God is or what he does, apart from deducing his existence at a second-hand remove, from perceived design and complexity. This is why science and religion are, in Stephen Jay Gould's words, 'non-overlapping magisteria'.
DeleteZachary, I don't believe God has "abstracted Himself" from our reality at all. He's there in every sense (pun intended) of the word. Empirical data is garnered based on what we as humans can sense: touch, sight, sound, smell, and usually to a lesser extent, taste. As mentioned previously, we often don't have all the data.
DeleteWe postulate theories based on what we do know.
God created "science" and if we look (touch, smell, hear, taste), we cannot help but to see the Creator in the creation.
Too often we try to make known data (often erroneously regurgitated as "facts") fit our view of things. We all do it...
I encourage everyone I can to make the trip to the Creation Museum in Kentucky regardless of ideology. Both secular ideas and Biblical truth are laid out side by side for you to consider. For me, my long held belief that the gap theory answered many questions was challenged. What I know is that with God, anything is possible and as it is written. That which is made, is not made of that which it does appear. What I found in that museum is compelling evidence the Earth is approx. 6000 years old. I see Jesus in every bit of it and I can't wait for his very soon return for his Church.
ReplyDeleteThe Creation Museum is charlatanism
DeleteOh, my my my. I do not post often, but… Since, I’m late to the game, I suspect that this many not even get read.
ReplyDeleteI feel compelled to respond to this whole discussion regarding the flat earth, evolution verse creation and the age of the earth. I see good responses and I see, well as Paul said ‘If I have not love then I am just a banging gong’ my paraphrase of 1 Corinthians 13:1.
I came to the Lord because my original first love of science proved to me that the Bible was in fact true. Now, Jesus Christ is my first love and science, real science, is simply a useful tool on my belt. I became convinced that the Theory of Evolution (TOE) is a satanic doctrine designed to cause man to doubt and not trust his Creator. Additionally, those who believe TOE must by all logic believe the Bible is not correct and is in error. If they do not believe that, then they are simply double-minded. However, the Bible is correct in that it contains perfectly accurate detailed history before it was history and it has referential integrity from a mathematical perspective that is not only impossible to reproduce, but in the minds of many, totally unbelievable. Therefore, if you believe in God, the one true God, the God of the Bible and His Son Jesus Christ, you must, by faith, believe that the Lord’s account of Creation is non-negotiable. Here the choice is simple, believe the God who has told you the end from the beginning or trust yourself in your extremely limited knowledge. There are no other options.
Since science, true science, is primarily about empirical and observable phenomenon, we can postulate that by definition, for example, gravity can be defined, as force equals mass time acceleration on the surface of the earth. The reason we can call this a definition, from the perspective of the surface of the earth is because we have found that this mathematical relationship has no exceptions in what we as ordinary people can observe. However, to assert that the earth is x-number of years old is NOT SCIENCE in the operational sense. We cannot observe it; none of us has ever been there. As the Lord confronted Job:
“Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?” Job 38:1-7 (KJV)
To know the age of the Earth, we must first have a Biblical perspective or we are just blowing smoke. Without doing an exegesis or deep analysis of the biblical text, we can simply say that the Bible lays out 7000 years from the beginning of creation in Genesis to the end of the book of Revelation. There is nothing in the Bible that make any direct statement about what is outside of that timeframe for man. However, we do know that God is eternal and we are destined to be so; therefore, we can conclude that regardless of what we may think about other people ‘opinions’ regarding the age of the earth, it is not part of the current visible created world in which we live.
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Now here are a couple of questions for those who want to hold on to an ancient universe. Why do all of the fossils that have been test for carbon-14, contain measurable amounts of carbon-14 when the half-life of carbon-14 is 5730 years? Why have we found soft tissue in dinosaur bones with hints of DNA when the half-life of DNA under normal conditions is 521 years? Why is it that the speed of light, which certain physics say is constant everywhere and does not change from one reference frame of motion to another, is different in say water or diamond? Moreover, how is it that we can trap a photon so it does not travel at the speed of light? Did you know that so-called empty space has measurable physical properties? All of these questions (and I have lots more) should make one pause and ask who is telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. We, man, do a lot of pontification out of ignorance.
ReplyDeleteSince this is already a long post, I will not get into the incredible amount of empirical science that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the earth is a sphere, except to mention two things. First is in the form of a question. Why did the Lord say, “As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us” Psalm 103:12 (KJV)? Why not north from south? The answer is childlike simple. If you travel north, and keep moving in a straight line, eventually you will be moving south because you have reached and past the north rotational pole. If you travel east to west, you NEVER get to the end, the distance is infinite because no matter how far you travel to the west, the west is always in front of you and east is always behind you. The second point is that from our perspective and from a visual perspective, the earth does not move from its place. Other than it daily rotation, which is observable and it circuit about the sun, which is observable, it is fixed in ‘its” place. However, the earth is in motion, it does spin and fly around the sun. Both are true and they are not in conflict. Consider the proverb “Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be just like him. Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.” Proverbs 26:4-5 (NIV). Both are correct in their context. Oh, and the earth seem to be approximately in the center if the universe, look it up, carefully.
For those who want to learn more about how science and the Bible go hand in glove where the Bible is the hand the science is the glove, here are some excellent books to read. I would also consider reading CMI’s multiple articles refuting the flat earth mythology.
“The Deep Time Deception”, Michael J. Oard;
“Evolution’s Achilles’ Heels”, Creation Ministries International;
“Without Excuse”, Werner Gitt (warning, not for everybody, this is a science text);
“Starlight and Time”, Russell Humphreys (this is old and out dated but is an excellent example of cosmology outside the box);
“Genetic Entropy”, J. C. Sanford (to me, this is the ultimate insult to evolution).
-Joe
Thank you Joe for speaking truth!
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DeleteThank you for a respectful and reasoned response to this subject! Those resources sound very interesting. I am familiar with some of the writers but have not read those pieces.
DeleteI particularly liked this statement: "There is nothing in the Bible that make any direct statement about what is outside of that timeframe for man." I believe there are certain things that God does not intend for us to know. Perhaps the true age of the earth is one of these things. It's certainly not within the ability of experimental science to come to a definite answer here.
On the constancy of the speed of light, here is a (mainstream scientific) piece on ways that the speed of light varies:
https://bigthink.com/philip-perry/is-the-speed-of-light-slowing-down
"Therefore, if you believe in God, the one true God, the God of the Bible and His Son Jesus Christ, you must, by faith, believe that the Lord’s account of Creation is non-negotiable. Here the choice is simple, believe the God who has told you the end from the beginning or trust yourself in your extremely limited knowledge. There are no other options."
ReplyDeleteMy friend, it is time to put away the swaddling clothes humanity wore when it was in its infancy. I am the first to admit that my knowledge is limited. However, I will not for that reason choose to submit my freedom of thought to outworn creeds. That would be a cure worse than the disease. I can choose to either follow the guidance of the overwhelming majority of credentialed scientists, or I can instead give credence to a cottage industry founded and maintained by those who would profit from fleecing the ignorant.
It's literally impossible that the Bible is correct when it comes to many of its claims. Does that matter to me? Well, the Bible is a literary text like any other. Does it bother me that Hamlet never existed? No, because I do not look to literary texts for historical accuracy.
Look at it this way. When we say that a tool has a purpose, what are we referring to? There is no empirical thing called a "purpose" that we can point to. It is a word - a metaphysical reality. Yet this thing that doesn't exist, is more real and more important than what wood or metal the tool may be made out of. The purpose of stories like the Flood or the Tower of Babel is what they teach us about what it means to be human. The fact that they aren't literally true doesn't even bother the Catholic Church, which long ago came to terms with the reality of Darwinian evolution.
It mattered not to Thomas Jefferson whether the King of the Jews was born of a virgin and rose from his tomb on the third day. Perhaps God threw these details in to give his book a firm authority during eras when the human race was naturally more credulous. These details are the rind that surrounds the pulp, and I have no problem discarding them.
Zachary,
DeleteI will simply pray that you will find Jesus Christ, the Jesus who claimed to be the Creator of all things, The Christ that claimed He is the Way, the Truth and the Light; no man comes to the father except through Him. That your are even posting here tells me that He is calling you, trying to call you out of the darkness of this dying world where evil has just about reached the point of no return. Do not look to the world, it has nothing to offer except death and eternal separation from the Lord. Mankind is on a collision course with the Lord, and the only safe place to be is with Him. Either you are with him or you are not, there is no such thing as 50 shades of grey, it pure black and white.
Yours in Christ!
-Joe
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DeleteZachary,
DeleteBy what metric do we judge what is truth and what is fiction? What is the basis of that decision? On what foundation is our bias found? Upon what is all of western society moral and legal code based upon?
Our carnal, worldly, understanding is a slippery slope that leads to all the wrong places. What then are we left with?
The Spirit.
What does it mean to be holy? Holy as in a digital function holy? Is God holy? If so, what are the consequences of His holiness? What does that mean and how can we see it? How is it expressed in Scripture?
These questions go on and on but at the end of the day you have to come to a conclusion, is God true (holy) to His Word or not? Is God holy?
There are but two answers. Holiness is a pure digital function. There is no middle ground. Answering this fundamental question leads to certain conclusions -- one of which is either all of the Word of God is holy (true) or none of it is holy (true). Even the parables speak truth.
The fact that we humans may not be gifted to wrap our finite minds around God sized facts doesn't mean that they aren't true. It just means we are human and yet to be perfected as glorified children of the Father. (Even then we may not fully understand!)
Beware of creating *god* in your own image. It is an epic fail of Biblical proportions. Instead, it is good to ask questions and take them to God. Seek Him and His Holy Spirit as teacher and humbly seek truth as a child of God, a student of the Word and a disciple of the Spirit.
If it is wisdom that you seek, seek it from the true source. Does God not give such things freely? Indeed He does.
May we all begin and end with,
5 You shall love the LORD your
God with all your heart and with
all your soul and with all your
might.
(Deuteronomy 6:5 ESV)
No command is greater than this.
None.
I pray you are humble and steadfast on your walk and are bold to ask BIG questions. Expect BIG answers.
Blessings,
PR
Jeeese...maybe we should get back to the end times thing in Rev and Daniel.
ReplyDeleteTake 50% of the total of "Christians" in the earth or on the earth(whatever), that don't go in the Rapture. That's the Laodicean church and the left over Philadelphian church, that is the end time church.
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