BREAKING: Major Prophetic Development In The Middle East
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Many questions remain:
1. How long is Israel's application of sovereignty postponed for?
2. Will other Arab countries follow the U.A.E.'s lead and join on?
3. Could the Abraham Accord be the covenant with many that the Antichrist later confirms for a period of seven years?
4. Might God see this suspension of Israel's previously imminent plan to obtain more of their God-given land as the breaking of the covenant? If not, might He see it as the Trump Administration going back on its word to support Israel's annexation effort?
The implications of this may be bigger than we realize, but we'll need to see how this plays out in the coming days. Additional Arab countries coming out in support would be a massive red alert, and, in fact, along with the announcement of the agreement, President Trump was quoted as saying:
We are already discussing this with other nations... so you will probably see others of these.
A great day for peace! Israel commends the courage of MBZ for the historic decision of the UAE to join Egypt (1979) and Jordan (1994) in making peace with Israel. Israel deeply appreciates all @POTUS Trump has done to make this breakthrough possible. More to come!— Amb. Ron Dermer (@AmbDermer) August 13, 2020
The United States congratulates Israel and the Emirates for this remarkable achievement, which is a significant step forward for peace in the Middle East. Blessed are the peacemakers. Mabruk and Mazal Tov.— Secretary Pompeo (@SecPompeo) August 13, 2020
#BREAKING Oman and Bahrain to follow UAE in normalizing Israel ties: American official tells Palestinian newspaper Al-Quds— Yosef Yisrael (@yosefyisrael25) August 13, 2020
From JPost:
ReplyDelete"Israel agreed to suspend its planned extension of sovereignty over parts of Judea and Samaria to facilitate relations with the UAE and potentially other Arab and Muslim countries, according to a statement posted to Trump’s Twitter account."
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-and-uae-reach-historic-peace-deal-638524?fbclid=IwAR14zjbQYb0PDHUlEaoI4eYF-S0f1NFhdhD1KaHed_ePxrQRIRihjy0cCPA
I’ll be watching
ReplyDeleteMore from the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews post:
ReplyDeleteThe Trump administration’s “Vision for Peace” would allow Israel to apply its law to 30% of the West Bank, including all settlements and the Jordan Valley.
The rest of the West Bank would be designated for an eventual Palestinian state, which would receive recognition and a $50 bn. aid package from the US if it meets a list of pre-conditions, including demilitarization, stopping incitement and salaries for terrorists.
Diplomatic sources in Jerusalem and Washington, however, said that the extension of Israeli law to the settlements had only been temporarily put aside.
“Sovereignty is on the agenda and we are committed to it,” the Israeli source said. “The Trump administration asked to temporarily suspend the announcement in order to first enact the historic peace treaty with the Emirates.”
The American source said: “Israel was presented with two opportunities and chose one. They’re aggressively pursuing [normalization] and not complicating it by doing sovereignty.”
It’s interesting that from today August 13, 2020 until the total solar eclipse over the U.S. on April 8, 2024 is 1335 days.
ReplyDeleteFrankD, why is 1335 days significant?
DeleteDaniel 12 allusion... "Blessed is he that waits and remains until the 1335th day"
DeleteDaniel 9:27 (ESV): "he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week".
ReplyDeleteThe United Arab Emirates is a federal constitutional monarchy made up from a federation of seven hereditary tribal monarchy-styled political system called Sheikhdoms.
Therefore, isn't the UAE, in and of itself, many? 7-in-1, or 1 seven, if you will?
Interesting!!
DeleteHuh. More talk of "peace and safety", and if the Rapture IS in a month (on Feast of Trumpets this year as many speculate), AND the Tribulation kicks off on that date as well (with no gap), then rumblings of a peace treaty would make sense. I'm not convinced that there's no poat-Rapture gap, but I can see how something might play out here. I guess we'll know soon.
ReplyDeleteI've recently been more persuaded as to a rapture gap, if nothing else, for this reason. If the rapture starts the 7-year tribulation period, then it would be easy to calculate the end of the tribulation period, but as per Matthew, no one knows the day or the hour. Hope that makes sense. And if there is a gap, how will they know that the 7-year period has started? Just pondering all of this.
DeleteBut...it’s the AC’s covenant with Israel that starts Daniel’s 70th Week, not the Rapture. There’s almost certainly “some period of time” for practical and physical measures to be implemented after the natural chaos of the Rapture event.
DeleteYeah, Anonymous, I tend to think there's supposed to be a gap too. But if the Rapture is on Feast of Trumpets, and Jesus' return is also on a Feast date AND this all has to happen in a rapidly closing window of time, then either one (or more) of the listed assumptions is wrong or there is no (or a very small) gap. I just haven't decided which I think is more likely to be off. Part of the reason I said we'd know soon. We've got less than 2 years at the very, very outside before we'll either be Raptured (and know the truth) or have to change our framework. I'm hoping for Rapture.
DeleteMike Gibson, "No one knows the day or hour" is speaking about post-millenial reign when God creates a new Heaven and a new Earth. Read the immediate verse before what you're quoting out of context.
DeleteMatthew 24:35-36 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee."
We are clearly told to watch and look for it, and those of us watching will know even upon the very hour.
Thank you Gary! This is very important really! My question, what is with palestinians about this normalisation, what are thier plans about? And what's about Netanyahu's announcement about ‘New era’ in Israel’s relations with Arab world? I'm reading the stuff about. Our time is really very short! Come, Lord! Maranatha!
ReplyDeleteRegarding the Palestinians, Abbas just warned Israel: “The day you extend your hand, we’ll cut it off”. But, there my be $50 billion in 'investments' that might change his mind.
DeleteAlla D, Blessings. A treat to hop on and see your post. I have a favor to ask. Coming home, this afternoon, my L*ft driver, Crystal, was adorable and, as a good conversationalist, asked me questions which allowed me to unpack answers to which she attentively interacted. Well, as we drove our talk went far and much wider then our car went and ultimately, in my driveway, led to my delivery of the Gospel to her, as best I could trying not to cut into her earning time. She asked to be able to get back with me, I ref'd her to this page & gave her my cell.
DeleteAlla D, I am convinced beyond tears that your prayers bring a sweet, sweet flavor into The Throne Room. One plants, another waters, another sees the fruit, Selah. Thank you for lifting Crystal, who comes from NY, as we spoke, is swept up into His Arms, amen. Blessings
Hi Brother Jimboni! Thank you for your prayer for me! I'm always here, reading all the stuff, and yours also. Now I am still very sick after a serious surgery on April 2, then in July I was in the hospital with complications. Now I am gradually getting better. Reading all stuff here and in Rev12 all the time, and your comments. My hubby Alex takes care of me day and night, he is really hundred percent disabled. He's saved, but he doesn't study the Bible. I tell him everything. So is my only son. And my sisters in Christ are coming to me to help with Alex. I'm translating for all them the stuff of Jeff, Gary, Brad, Hillary and others. This is the Hand of the Lord really! I'm sure the Lord is always with me, and very soon I will see all of you with Him in the air! Blessings, Jimboni! Praying for all our Family here and there! Maranatha!
DeleteWhat is NOT in this agreement is Jerusalem, state for Palestine, nor the 3rd temple. Way too early to get excited but a modest start.
ReplyDeleteIt’s my understand that the Antichrist will “confirm” or “strengthen” the covenant and this will happen after we’re gone. Could be the building of the temple, status of Jerusalem, declaration of a palestinian state, and the 7 year timing will be added at that time. But guess what! We’ll never know because we’re gonna be outa here!!
DeleteIrvin Baxter said the red heifers passed inspection and they will be burned on Aug 29, 2020. So the ashes will allow Jews to go on Temple Mt n build 3rd Temple. Sue Higdon Martin
DeleteSue, do you have a link?
Deletehttps://www.endtime.com/end-of-the-age/the-red-heifer-and-the-third-temple/
DeleteConcerning the ashes of the Red Heifer and the building of the Third Temple on the Temple Mount, I have this exciting news: On July 9, 2020, I watched Irvin Baxter, on TBN TV, and, he stated that two red heifers in Israel have qualified to be burned on Aug. 29, 2020, for their ashes. Numbers 19:13 states that anyone who has touched a dead body or been in a graveyard is unclean. And, that person must be sprinkled with the ashes of a red heifer, mixed with water, before they can go on the Temple Mount. So, it is exciting that the ashes will be ready on Aug.19, 2020. For the Jews will be able then to go on the Temple Mount and rebuild their Third Temple after their purification. I have heard that the Temple could be built in 6 months and the vessels are ready for use and computers have a list of Priests eligible to work in the Temple. Since the Bible states that the Antichrist will sit in the Temple and declare himself to be God in the middle of the 7 years of Jacobs Trouble, the Tribulation, this news has me pumped. I'm looking for Jesus, not the Antichrist, and this ashes event is more exciting evidence that Jesus is coming soon for His church. My Mother had a red jersey cow when I was a child, and, now, at the age of 84, I'm seeing Red heifers in my dreams. Who woulda thot?!! Sue Higdon Martin
DeletePlease read articles. Prince UAE said expressly that normalization ties w Israel contingent on no annexation AND TWO STATE SOLUTION: which Netanyahu has now reportedly agreed.
DeleteTypical but powerful negotiating tactic - present and promote something that is horrible in the eyes of your opponents, then agree to rescind that proposal to get agreement on the ultimate goal - in this case, propose the annexation and give it up for peace...
ReplyDeleteinteresting. Trump held a massive revolver to Israel's head, loaded and cocked. and now it looks like he may have put the gun down
ReplyDeleteI'm not a fan of Twitter, but it's interesting to read the posts from the ISRAELI side of things:
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/IsraelMFA?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Apparently, the Israeli Foreign Ministry is pretty happy about it...
Whether we are or not, we do KNOW GOD said this would happen!
We know it's a prelude of what's to come, a sign of the End Times we are living in.
Fore warned is fore armed - in this case, with the Whole Armor of God!
Gary and everyone at Unsealed, I cannot thank y'all enough for always being on top of these things. When I see something prophetic happen I go here first for y'all and all the rest of the Christian family's take (well and pray about it if course first!). I have had a rough week being very depressed in spirit over the nearness of the end and the spiritual warfare occurring globally. I know the Lord said all this would happen but watching it unfold daily on the news is so hard to watch. I am really struggling with the willful lawlessness and blindness occurring in our cities. My heart breaks for the lost who are too blind and deceived to even care how lost and blind they are. Thank you and everyone on here for we are all going through this together and more today than ever I needed an article from y'all and the inspirational comments from the community. I don't know about y'all but I am struggling with this weight of sadness for a lost and fallen world. I am ashamed of all the evil done and that the Lord looks down and sees it all, every thought, desire and action. Thank you Jenny for the armor of God comment because I have been reading over that scripture a lot lately. We may not know each other but I love you all, I pray that God blesses everyone of you. Thank you again Gary and everyone here for always providing clarity and comfort.
ReplyDeleteDear Loretta, I always have to head to Unsealed too to get a breakdown on the prophetic meaning of current events. I too feel sad about what’s happening and especially to America. What started out as the great experiment is ending in tyranny and bloodshed. Unbelievable. The loss and devastation societally and personally is incalculable.
DeleteGreat experiment?
DeleteJust do what the Bible tells you. God never asked anybody to experiment on humanity, but I see many have taken it unto themselves.
Liberty is a goddess. It is enslavement. Jeshua is freedom.
Has anyone else read any of William Koenig's books about the consequences of dividing Isreal?
ReplyDeleteI think the latest edition is Eye to Eye, approx. 2017.
He talks about the Biblical and historical rights of Isreal to her lands and links catastrophes and "natural" disasters to the US's involvement with Isreal's sovereignty over her lands going back decades.
Has anyone read any perspectives on the current state of affairs with regard to the Deal of the Century, Covid, and all the rioting and looting taking place worldwide, but most especially in the US? We are definitely a people divided.
Just curious.
when I once looked up an article on whether Katrina was punishment for the Gaza withdrawal (settler evictions) my Pandora station played a song about people being evicted from their homes. that's confirmation
DeleteI just looked up the latest edition of Koenig's book on Amazon.
DeleteThe preview shows a long dated list of "happenings" relative to dividing Israel.
Sean Osborne over on Eschatology Today has an interesting take on the "many"
ReplyDeletehttps://eschatologytoday.blogspot.com/2020/08/global-sitrep-c3-30-rumors-of-peace.html
Here's Amir Tsfarti's Twitter post:
ReplyDelete"Christians don’t need to be concerned every time Israel has peace with an Arab country. It’s almost as if they prefer us making war. Yes, the antichrist will rise one day and confirm a seven years peace deal. We won’t be here to see it. Until then I prefer peace over war."
I find his comment a little arrogant and condescending to us Christians, especially in light of the fact that we know Scripture tells us that when they says 'Peace, peace', then sudden destruction comes.
Agreed.
DeleteAmir, we just want *real* peace. "They say 'peace, peace' when there is no peace." What is happening is exactly what prophecy said would happen. Especially if we start seeing more Arab countries joining this covenant... 1 Thess 5:3 comes into play like never before.
And it STILL stipulates the division of the land by upholding the Vision for Peace.
What happened today was not an act of real peacemaking, nor an act of faith in God. It was fear of man.
this was an act of real peacemaking.
Deletethe trump peace plan was always a non starter. palestinians rejected it and will always reject it. the true danger of the plan was that it would be used as an excuse for unilateral annexation.
Deletetake annexation off the table, and that frees up the possibility of true peace which is Israelis and Palestinians living together in one Christian state
Zachary, "Take annexation off the table and that frees up the possibility of true peace which is Israelis and [sic] palestinians living together in one Christian state". In what universe and in what Bible??? First of all, there are no Palestinians and no Leprechauns. They are a mythical fabricated from whole cloth by Jasar Arafat, who was himself Egyptian. No Fauxlestinian passport, no Fauxlestinian currency, national language, historical artifacts or national art forms, or national race, and no Fauxlestinian historical kings or leaders before 1950. It's all a total farce because they have no historical or Biblical claim to the land, so they had to create a fake victom, and thus make Israel the 'evil occupier'. 98% of so-called Fauxlestinians are Jordanian arabs with Jordanian passports, and they speak the language or Jordan.
DeleteAlso, 'living together in a Christian state?? LOL. Israel is not a Christian country, nor are the Jordanian Arabs - They are Muslim and they hate Israel and they are not interested in peace or land. They only want one thing - the total destruction of Israel and all Jews pushed into the sea.
Scripture says explicitly there there will be hatred between them and the Jews and they are a wild-donkey of a people who raise their hand against their brother."
brother, ethno-nationalism is so 20th-century
Deleteread the prophecies of isaiah
the nations will come to jerusalem and worship Yahweh in TRUTH
do you think the talmud and kabbalah are the truth?
no.
Yeah, the Nation's will come to worship God at Jerusalem AFTER Jesus returns. "Peace" with the Palestinians will never happen before that time (because the Palestinians don't want peace or even a nation - they want the elimination of Israel and Jews -they've proven this time and then me again). So, no, this Abraham Accords will in no way pave the road to "real peace" unless you think this is bringing Jesus back.
Deletei mean this with all respect; this is my belief which i know you guys will disagree with. but meant with respect.
DeleteI believe Yeshua was a man of flesh and blood. I don't believe he is coming back, or that bodies are going to dematerialize in a rapture.
The messiah is also a man of flesh and blood, and he is a totally different dude.
And he is coming.
Admin,why are you posting comment directly opposing your purpose?Isnt this site abt Jesus'return, Rev 12, etc. I dont need see someones atheistic comment. Too much in the world opposing us already. Why here? Dont drink the current day Koolaid. PLEASE.
DeleteThis is interesting. Ascension deception
ReplyDeletehttps://ew.com/tv/david-blaine-balloon-stunt/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/senior-israeli-officials-reportedly-say-bahrain-next-in-line-for-normalization/?fbclid=IwAR2sxxfnkvQW8ewVvYvZWJDxcLfy4SHCaoEDtuaAfE_2USwfdGTA5lCJgQU
ReplyDeleteFrom the Times of Israel. Bahrain may be next to sign on.
Consider what a promise or contract means in Islam: Hadith: Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 67, Number 427;
ReplyDelete"If I give a promise, but find something that is better than that, then I reverse the promise"
Why are you posting Islamic opposition?
DeleteIs it not good to be 'wise as serpents' sometimes? Knowing they might not take their promises seriously allows you to be ready for when they change the details...
DeleteToday is the 14th and I'm trying to take it all in. Seems everyone is pointing to Daniel 9:27. What first came to my mind is Ezekiel 38/39. Especially after what is being talked about in the Senate today over funding terrorists states. Turkey isn't happy, Russia is in play and Beirut showed us how swiftly destruction can be. 2nd round of Covid shut downs are coming. Dreams and visions of chaos in America and some secular people say something big is coming on Sept 22. There is so much happening and so much deception. The only truth is the Word. I think Damascus will be the hook, Praying that we're with the bridegroom before then. The birth pains are intensifying.
ReplyDeleteBrent brother what are secular people saying is coming on Sept 22?
DeleteSome are saying a major economic crash, and one person with ties to a high degree Mason, said something major was planned for Sept 22. Thing is what can you really trust besides Christ.
DeleteI'm curious to know myself! What are they saying?
DeleteI read somewhere a big asteroid was going to hit earth on that day.
DeleteA follow-up from JPost:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/the-israel-uae-agreement-winners-and-losers-edition-638632
The Israel-UAE agreement, winners and losers edition
"The treaty also boosts the dealmakers themselves and delivers a blow to their various opponents, foreign and domestic."
https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/how-trump-traded-annexation-for-his-christian-base-analysis-638578
ReplyDeleteHow Trump traded annexation for his Christian base
"The Evangelicals were instrumental in bringing this peace deal to the table."
very helpful and encouraging comments by those evangelical leaders.
Deletei like the name 'abraham agreement'. we are all truly sons of abraham
Are you a universalist? Because I'm reading into that statement that you believe the God of Christianity and the false god of Islam (may the name of Allah be shown cursed) as the same thing. Granted, the Arabs do descend from Abraham through Ishmael, and if they acknowledge that Israel is Abraham's "heir" of their land, and treat them as brothers, then the conflict would vanish, (don't see that happening). The majority dea of all the Abrahamic Faiths coming together is just more one-world religion nonsense that removes Jesus from the equation.
Deletei'm a believer in Yahweh, the Father of Yeshua the messiah. the koran has a lot of good stuff in it mixed in with errors, some of them pernicious indeed. i follow the 66 books of the Bible for doctrine. the only way forward is through the New Testament. i agree that any other 'unity' would be false.
DeleteThank you for clarification
DeleteI'm sorry to hear you don't believe in a triune God as the Bible describes.
DeleteTrump: West Bank annexation 'off the table', Christianity part of UAE deal
ReplyDelete“Christians have been persecuted by some countries in particular in the Middle East. This [the UAE deal] is a big start, It is going to be a strong start, a very powerful start,” the president said."
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/trump-christianity-part-of-uae-deal-west-bank-annexation-off-the-table-638639
New video up from Paul on YT rev12dotcom on the UAE peace plan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1zjSjjL0PM
ReplyDeleteEncouraging southern gospel song, and yes, in the South "Zion" said quickly would sound like "Zine". :) Enjoy. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EC8aOiWf5pU
ReplyDeleteAt https://www.raptureready.com/2020/08/16/harvest-time-by-daymond-duck/ "Harvest Time :: By Daymond Duck":
ReplyDelete"Four, I recently watched a video about the Red Heifer that was made on June 20, 2020.
According to the video, the Temple Institute recently inspected their two oldest red heifers that show no signs of blemish.
They are just under two years old and will be inspected again in the upcoming weeks.
If they continue to qualify, one of them will soon be selected, sacrificed, and the ashes will be gathered and prepared for use to purify those that are selected to rebuild the Temple."
This is very important for us.
https://www.facebook.com/twtramm/posts/3397873406917563?__tn__=K-R
ReplyDeleteTHE biblical month known as Elul begins August 21 this year.
Here are 10 interesting facts about the month of Elul:
1. The name Elul originates from the Akkadian word “ulolo,” which means “harvest.”
2. Elul is the sixth month on the biblical calendar. In Scripture, the number six is associated with man, who was created on the sixth day and who will be redeemed after 6,000 years.
3. The constellation sign corresponding to the month of Elul is Virgo, the “Sign of the Woman” featured in Revelation chapter 12.
4. Elul, the sixth month, marks the halfway point of Earth’s yearly circuit around the Sun. It is the month of the autumnal equinox, when the prophetic summer harvest season turns to fall. Elul is thus a turning point, astronomically, agriculturally, and prophetically.
5. Traditionally, the first day of Elul marks the beginning of a 40-day period of repentance before the Day of Atonement, or Judgment Day, arrives. As part of this tradition, every day during the month of Elul, except for the Sabbath, a trumpet is sounded. The daily trumpet blasts are meant to awaken one’s spirit to the fact that judgment is near and time is short to draw close to God.
6. It is customary during the month of Elul to sign written communications with the blessing “K’tiva VaHatima Tova,” which translated means “a good writing and sealing [of judgment]” for the coming year. The theme of being sealed against judgment appears in the Book of Revelation where 144,000 sons of Israel are “sealed” by the Holy Spirit before God’s wrath is poured out (Rev. 7, 8).
7. The month of Elul is historically associated with financial crashes of biblical proportions, most recently two major crashes that occurred on Elul 29/Tishrei 1 in 2001 and 2008 (see Jonathan Cahn’s Mystery of the Shemitah).
8. Tradition holds that Elul is the month in which the king is in the field. At this time, the king is said to be most approachable, receiving anyone who wishes to meet with him with a smiling face and radiant countenance. Imagine the scenario: the common worker in the field, who sees the king as inaccessible and far removed, never expects that he will see or speak to him face-to-face in his own domain. Then one day, while the worker is engrossed in his menial tasks, he feels a tap on his shoulder. He turns around and, to his astonishment, sees the king standing above him! The surprise and awe felt by the laborer in the field is comparable to that which many will feel when King Jesus suddenly appears, to reap the harvest of the earth.
9. Jews customarily read Psalm 27 each day from the first of Elul through the end of the fall festival season at Tabernacles. Psalm 27 pictures the Lord sheltering His people during the day of trouble: “In the day of trouble he will keep me safe in his dwelling; he will hide me in the shelter of his sacred tent and set me high upon a rock” (Ps. 27:5).
10. Elul is known as the month of the bride. The bridal theme derives from the fact that the name Elul is an acronym for the oft-spoken phrase by the maiden in the Song of Solomon, ani ledodi vedodi li—“I am my Beloved’s, and my Beloved is mine.” Notably, the passages depicting the maiden awaiting or in the company of her beloved mention apples and grapes, fruits harvested mainly during the month of Elul (Song 2:3-5, 13).
It also marks the 3 year anniversary of the Great American Eclipse (August 21, 2017).
DeleteJust saying...
https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/emmanuel-macron-abraham-accord-middle-east-abrahamic-faiths-house-israel-lebanon-uae/
ReplyDelete"ONE DAY AFTER TRUMP ANNOUNCES ‘ABRAHAM ACCORD’ EMMANUEL MACRON GIVES HIMSELF A SEAT AT THE MIDDLE EAST TABLE MAKING A LEAGUE WITH RUSSIA"
Macron again...
I've stopped trusting that site. The author is obsessed with finding the Anti-christ has has declared that Marcon "is it!". In other words, even though we don't have a 7-year peace treaty (and we're all still here), this site thinks Marcon must be the AC (I think it must not be a pre-tribulation site). There are too many false predictions on this in the past as well as clear warning of scripture that the AC won't be revealed until after the Rapture.
DeleteThis link comes from the comments section of the Now the End Begins article:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O_ws_NCo2U&feature=youtu.be
"David Adjaye designs trio of temples for multifaith complex in Abu Dhabi"
Apparently they were deigned to represent the three "Abrahamic" faiths.
I don't buy into it and am not a supporter of Chrislam at all, but THIS is interesting in so far as what we know is going to happen during the Tribulation.
as Stephen said in Acts, physical temples are worthless now. we are the temple - the body of Christ
DeleteAgreed, Zachary, but that's why this development is interesting. Revelation is clear on the coming "One World Religion" (which ultimately worships the Anti-christ), so to see things like this looks like a foreshadowing of that.
DeleteHere's a link that might relate in some way to this topic. I've been following the great work in Israel, of Messianic Rabbi Zev Porat for a couple of years. Several times he has recorded interviews of recently converted Rabbis, and other Orthodox Jews. Several of them have stated deep skepticism about a Third Temple, which seems curious, and actually bothered me at first. But the article linked here, by Pastor Carl Gallups, assisted by Zev, draws attention to a previously unnoticed difference in translation from ancient manuscripts. I post it here for your curiosity.
Deletehttps://www.messiahofisraelministries.org/a-new-temple-has-to-be-rebuilt-for-jesus-to-return/
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Zachary,
ReplyDeleteYou said:
"I believe Yeshua was a man of flesh and blood. I don't believe he is coming back, or that bodies are going to dematerialize in a rapture.
The messiah is also a man of flesh and blood, and he is a totally different dude.
And he is coming."
and then later said:
"i'm a believer in Yahweh, the Father of Yeshua the messiah. the koran has a lot of good stuff in it mixed in with errors, some of them pernicious indeed. i follow the 66 books of the Bible for doctrine. the only way forward is through the New Testament. i agree that any other 'unity' would be false."
I mean no disrespect, but am genuinely curious how you believe both of these statements can be true. If your doctrine comes from the 66 books of the Bible, yet you hold a belief in direct contradiction to the Gospel spelled out in the New Testament, regarding who then your doctrine would be derived from something outside of the 66 books of the Bible, no?
I follow the Bible for moral doctrine, but I don't hold that it is correct as to all factual matters. I believe Jesus' teachings - as related in the NT - are God's ultimate teachings as to how we should live our lives.
Deleteplus, brother, consider the Shiloh prophecy of Genesis 49 and the 'David figure' prophecy of Ezekiel 37. What is more likely, that Jesus would be translated from a spiritual existence to a physical existence, or that a 2nd messiah of flesh and blood would fulfill those prophecies?
DeleteZachary - question.
DeleteJesus said in order to be righteous according to moral law you have to:
Pluck your eye out if it causes you to sin
Cut your hand off if it causes you to sin
Literally take up and be crucified on a cross
Always only turn the other cheek
Never fail in forgiving everyone who has slighted you
Sell all you have and give it all to the poor
Have you done any of these things?
no I haven't brother. but I don't claim to be righteous. I try to do the best I can.
DeleteI understand brother, we have all been there. Jesus says that even if you look at a woman lustfully that's sin. Or if you look at someone with anger that is also sin.
DeleteWe have all tried to do the best we can but nobody can fulfill the requirement to be righteous to be granted access to heaven.
We can only accept Jesus' righteousness and sacrifice/payment for our sins, as a gift - righteousness means right-standing with God. He offers these to those who will
A admit they have sin that they can't pay for
B believe that Jesus died for your sin and paid your punishment before God to clear you before God
C confess that He is your Lord and call on His name to be your payment and Savior
This is what the Bible says when it states that Christ is the end of the law to those who believe.
Also what it means when it says Jesus is the Way the Truth and the Life.
Nobody is good enough. The only way to be granted access to heaven is ABC.
Anyone who does not choose Him will have to pay for their own sins for eternity, that's what hell is.
I pray you choose Jesus brother! It is the most important decision you will ever have to make. Don't wait until it is too late. Please.
yes we are justified by faith and by grace, not by works. yet, James says that faith without works is dead. Jesus' death did pay for our sins. not everyone who says 'Lord, Lord' will get into heaven - but those who hear and do the word will. I'm not aware of the Bible stating that 'those who refuse to call Jesus Lord will go to hell'. When Jesus talks about hell he mentions sinful actions as leading us there. It's the koran that condemns people to hell for mere unbelief in muhammad's infallibility. yes i try to give to charity, to not look at women lustfully or hold a grudge. but i'm a deeply flawed individual. less righteous than most. and I thank God I'm justified by faith and grace. it's no doing of my own.
DeleteSTEVE: The operative word in you quote on righteousness re "moral law" is LAW! Under the law it is impossible to be right with God. HENCE the need for salvation through Jesus. I do NOT debate with people BUT that obvious confusion is why so many people go off track. HE came to fulfill the law for us. COME as a child instead of playing mind games with the Bible, the ONLY book with 100% accuracy on over 500 prophecies & therefore obviously divinely written.
DeleteZachary - Romans 10:9 and John 3
DeleteSteve, Romans 10:9 doesn't say 'if you don't believe Jesus is Lord or that he was raised from the dead, you WON'T be saved'.
DeleteRe: John 3 - I believe in the Son of God. that what he said was God's truth.
i believe the character Jesus - as depicted in the NT - is God. what I don't believe is that the historical man Jesus (who I don't believe was/is God) was entirely accurately described in the NT. that's not to say the character is entirely made up, like huckleberry finn. just that there were distortions of his career in the texts we have. have you ever read the bart ehrman book 'how Jesus became God'?
Friend, your answers don't seem clear.
DeleteRomans 10:9 is abundantly clear about what is necessary.
1. "That if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord..." ὁμολογήσῃς ('confess') has the meaning of acknowledgement, profession, etc. To agree that Jesus is Lord.
2. "And believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead..." The necessity of believing the good news is echoed in the same unequivocal terms in other passages like 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Compare with John 8:24; 14:6; Acts 4:12; 16:30–31; Phil. 2:11; etc. To believe in a 'Jesus' who didn't rise from the dead is to believe in another Jesus. It isn't the same person.
3. "You will be saved."
"i believe the character Jesus - as depicted in the NT - is God. what I don't believe is that the historical man Jesus (who I don't believe was/is God) was entirely accurately described in the NT."
What? Sounds like a false dichotomy. So you're saying that the Jesus of the NT is God, but the historical Jesus in the NT was not God? I'm sure I misunderstand you because that doesn't make sense.
I'm familiar with Ehrman. He's agnostic, but definitely rejects Christianity completely. His worldview precludes him from seeing anything outside of the principles of liberal textual criticism. When you reject God, it's not possible to acknowledge the possibility of the supernatural influence on a text, miraculous events, etc. If God exists and His Son Jesus revealed ultimate truth to His disciples, who in turn recorded those things... and then this Jesus sent His omniscient Spirit to lead the disciples into all truth... then Ehrman's paradigm is useless in interpreting and/or piecing together the biblical text, because his entire paradigm is begging the question.
Gary, what I was trying to convey was that I'm unaware of any passage that says, 'if you don't believe Jesus was God, then you're condemned to hell'. in John 8:24 Jesus is referring to himself as the Son of Man (cf. John 8:28), a title I am happy to give to Jesus. Again, Acts 16:30-31 still does not say one goes to hell simply for not believing Jesus is Lord. yes Jesus is the way, truth and life. no one reaches the Father except through him. Which I interpret as, someone who follows his moral teachings (even if not believing him to be God) can have been saved.
DeleteJesus talks about hell a LOT in the Gospels. Uniformly it is in the context of sinful actions leading one there - not wrong belief. this is in stark contrast to the koran, where hell is pretty much always described as the place where 'unbelievers' go. I think this is a very relevant discrepancy between the two faiths. partly why I don't believe the koran has any doctrinal authority at all.
"What? Sounds like a false dichotomy. So you're saying that the Jesus of the NT is God, but the historical Jesus in the NT was not God? I'm sure I misunderstand you because that doesn't make sense."
what i'm saying is that the historical Jesus isn't entirely accurately described in the NT. therefore I believe that in talking about the Biblical Jesus and the historical one we need to differentiate between two "people". I'm fine with the Council of Niceae describing the Biblical Jesus as of one substance with the Father, because this Jesus is an abstraction, an (in PART) literary creation. whose words ARE God's words. want to know God's final teachings on matters are? listen to the Biblical Jesus - it's all there. the koran describes Jesus as 'just another prophet' and not the son of God. I maintain he was God's son and what he did in history is far beyond what previous prophets had accomplished. I'm sure many sayings and actions attributed to Jesus in the Bible do accurately represent the historical Jesus. but do I believe he fed 5,000 people, or rose from the dead? no. nor do i believe it is necessary for me to believe such things in order to be saved.
I'm not ascribing infallibility to Ehrman, but I find his writings interesting and informative.
Zachary -
DeleteJohn 3:18
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Mark 16:16
Many many many others.
those passages don't say 'condemned to hell'.
Deleteand those passages also don't say you go to hell if you don't believe Jesus was God. 'believe in/on him'? 'believe the gospel'? Mark 16:15-16. not the same thing
Deletei know of no no direct statement: 'hell if you believe I'm not God'
I'm working on an article that spells this out even more clearly, but below is an article where I inventoried verses on the subject. Salvation is overwhelmingly tied to faith. Condemnation under the law is tied to works (hence the handful of passages in the Gospels) but faith is the way out of that condemnation (hence Hebrews 3-4). Condemnation now is clearly tied to belief as already shown (Jn. 3:18; Mk. 16:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-4; Jude 5–7; Heb. 3:7–4:13).
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Obviously those who reject Christ through disbelief will be judged by works because that is all they have to go on (hence Rev. 20).
Judged by works = no one makes it.
Judged by Christ's work = those who trust in Christ make it.
Zachary -
DeleteMatthew 5:30, 10:28, 18:9, 23:33
2 Peter 2:4
Many many many others.
" 'believe in/on him'? 'believe the gospel'? Mark 16:15-16. not the same thing"
DeleteSo is believing in Christ enough (Jn. 3:18; 6:40) or must one believe the gospel defined in 1 Corinthians 15? These are not mutually exclusive. To trust in Christ is to believe the gospel and to believe the gospel is to trust in Christ. Throughout history there have been thousands of men named Jesus, Jesús, Yesu, Yeshua, Yehoshua, Joshua, and so forth. But only one Jesus died for your sins and rose again. If you believe in that Jesus then you believe the gospel and if you believe the gospel then you believe in that Jesus. I've explained before that many believe in someone named Jesus, but it isn't the Christ of the Bible and so their faith is not a saving faith (see here).
Salvation is clearly tied to faith in Christ, so whatever you want to call the flip side, be it Hell, Gehenna, or annihilationism, is irrelevant. If you do not believe that He is who He says He is, you will not be saved, and then you *will* be judged by works—an impossible standard.
I have faith in Christ. I believe in his teachings and that he was the messiah. When he asked, 'why do you call me good? no one but God is good', I believe this was a telling quote. Because someone who went around preaching that he was God, wouldn't have said that. 'Before Abraham was, I AM'? well it's likely that was made up ~60 years after Jesus' death by a theologically motivated writer of excellent Greek (not Aramaic).
DeleteI'm a Christian in my own mind. If someone disagrees, that's fine.
to clarify - i do believe in hell
DeleteSo in the statement that "nobody but God is good", He was not saying that He was not God. He was speaking to someone who did not recognize Him as God. He also said that He and the Father are one.
DeleteI think you need to go back and research the dead sea scrolls and other related topics because the Bible has been preserved throughout the ages and is archaeologically sound.
This discussion is akin to one person trying to convince another that a text says 2 + 2 = 4. But the other person trying to claim 2 plus 2 is not 4 because the text does not specifically say that 4 - 2 = 2.
Jesus had to be God. The Messiah had to live a sinless life. Only God could do that. That is how atonement works. If Jesus was not God He could not have been sinless and the payment before God, the imputation of perfect righteousness and our justification would not have been possible. But He fulfilled the entire law and prophets. Because He is God.
Zachary,
DeleteLuke 18:19 (ESV)
And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.
John 13:13 (ESV)
You call me Teacher and Lord, and you are right, for so I am.
Luke 6:46 (ESV)
“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?
1 Corinthians 12:3 (ESV)
Therefore I want you to understand that no one speaking in the Spirit of God ever says “Jesus is accursed!” and no one can say “Jesus is Lord” except in the Holy Spirit.
2 Timothy 4:1 (ESV)
I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:
Rev: 22:12-13 (JESUS SPEAKING OF HIMSELF)
12 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. 13I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”
Isaiah 44:6 (ESV) (GOD SPEAKING OF HIMSELF)
Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
Pretty sure that's a declaration by Jesus that He is God...
Also,
Delete"...I don't believe the koran has any doctrinal authority at all."
You say that, while continually referencing the koran to justify your disbelief in the divinity of Christ Jesus. When you say "I believe in the moral teachings of Jesus" yet you dont believe in the accuracy of scripture, you contradict yourself. If the Bible is inaccurate, then all of it is rubbish and should be cast aside without concern.
Either Jesus spoke in truth and all words are divinely inspired, or none is to be regarded as trustworthy, and your faith lies elsewhere.
By your descriptions, your faith is not in Jesus Christ, Son of God, Faithfull Redeemer... but rather it is in your own understanding.
"I'm a Christian in my own mind. If someone disagrees, that's fine."
Proverbs 3:5 (ESV)
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.
Proverbs 3:7 (ESV)
Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil.
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ReplyDelete"And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it." Isaiah 28:18
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CHINA WARNS OF ‘IMMINENT’ WAR AGAINST US: ‘POTENTIAL GOG-MAGOG’ SAYS RABBI
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Isaiah 28:18 is taking place before our eyes forged by the Kushner team hinting more countries are coming on board with Israel: "And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it."
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