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Will They or Won't They?


As I’m sure you’re aware, the fighting in the Middle East between Israel and Iranian terrorist proxies Hamas and Hezbollah continues to mount and intensify, and the nations of the world are looking on with increasingly bated breath as the situation continues to spiral toward frightening new levels—levels that were all but unthinkable until recently and that are evoking images and warnings concerning the potential congealing of a World War III scenario.

As I wrote in a recent Commentary entry some pundits are opining that there seems to be no end in sight, and that this conflict between Israel and her enemies is shaping up to be a “forever war.” As I pointed out in those same remarks, however, as prophetically aware believers, we know this is not the case. We know this is not a “forever war,” and indeed have a pretty good idea where all this is heading based on a knowledge of God’s prophetic Word.

Many of those who study end-time prophecy are convinced this escalating conflict is heading toward the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38–39, in which a coalition of nations including Russia, Iran, Turkey, and several Northern African countries gather to descend upon Israel to wipe the Jewish nation off the map once and for all. But before they can lay a finger on Israel, they are decimated by the mighty hand of a God who fights for His people and who is about to turn His face back to them.

Well, yeah, but what about... If you happen to be a sharp student of Scripture who is thinking along the lines of “Wait a second, I thought according to Ezekiel 38:11–14 that Israel had to be in a state of rest or at peace when Gog-Magog went down...and it sure doesn’t look like they’re at rest or at peace,” see this for a little something that may not have occurred to you. And although I presented the idea I describe in that article as a possibility, it’s beginning to look more and more like the real deal.

Now, there are some outstanding Bible teachers (the venerable Mark Hitchcock for one) who see the Gog-Magog scenario working out a bit differently, and believe the attack Ezekiel describes comes after the launching of the Tribulation (primarily for the reason I refer to in the preceding paragraph). But as I have discussed in the past, I am reasonably well convinced Gog-Magog must occur before the launching of the Tribulation because I believe that it sets the stage for the scenario that will lead to the treaty of Daniel 9:27 that gets the Tribulation underway in the first place.

And the view of Gog-Magog as setting the stage for the Tribulation provides the backdrop for the ideas I want to discuss in this article.

Following Israel’s recent devastating blows to Iran’s terrorist proxy Hezbollah, there has been increased buzz about the possibility of Israel taking it to the limit, so to speak, and carrying out strategic strikes directly against certain elements of Iran’s nuclear weapons program. Iran is either a matter of weeks (according to some) or a matter of months (according to others) away from being the proud owners of a nuclear weapon, and Israel has publicly stated in no uncertain terms that they are fully committed to doing whatever is necessary to prevent that from ever happening.

A look at a variety of news sources reveals that the buzz over Israel’s potential strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities ranges from...

“Oh no, they’ll never do that...it’s way too dangerous and it’ll never work! Besides, it could drag the U.S. into World War III, and Prezident Harris wouldn’t like that one little bit, no sirree!”

all the way to...

“All systems go...next stop, Natanz! VA-ROOOM!!”

Discussions run the gamut from how politically disastrous the whole idea is and how it could drag the world kicking and screaming into a World War III scenario, to how logistically feasible it is and how it’s Israel’s only sensible option. In other words, it’s anything from one extreme to the other:

“Don’t you dare!” or “Just do it!”

Many have forgotten that Israel has done it before (Iraq, 1981), and many believe they will have to do it again. So that’s the $64,000 question:

Q. Will Israel actually carry out one or more strikes on any of Iran’s nuclear weapons facilities in the near future?

Also, note that such a strike may not necessarily be the next move on Israel’s military agenda. It could come at some point after other forms of retaliation, at a time when it is a bit less expected. Just saying.

Reasons why I think they will

In the above question, I added the words “in the near future” because if they do, it is a virtual certainty that it will be relatively soon. As I said, experts place Iran within a matter of weeks or perhaps several months of being in possession of a nuclear weapon—so any way you slice it, Israel knows full well Iran is getting very close to their nuclear finish line.

But again: Will they or won’t they? That’s the burning question before us. Obviously, I don’t know—but I will go ahead and admit to you straight up that I am inclined to think Israel will carry out such an attack at some point. What I want to do is go over a few reasons why I believe this will be the case, and those reasons generally tie in logically with what we can garner from Scripture about the attack of Gog-Magog.

Carved in stone: The prophecies given in God’s Word will be fulfilled to the letter no matter what Israel does or doesn’t do—no matter what any nation on earth does or doesn’t do. Ezekiel 38–39 will be precisely fulfilled whether Israel ever launches an attack on Iran’s nuclear weapons facilities or not. That’s carved in stone, and not even up for discussion.

Now, if it turns out that Israel doesn’t attack any of Iran’s nuclear facilities, all it means is that my opinion is simply wrong—as it has been known to be from time to time, just like everyone else’s. Get over it? I already am.

But what’s infinitely more important is this:

All that means is that God’s inerrant Word will be fulfilled just as precisely in some different manner that we (I) might not be anticipating.

Until it happens, that is.

1. Follow the leader.

If you have been following events in the Middle East to any degree at all over the last several years, you are fully aware of two fundamental facts:

1. Iran is the country that has been leading the ongoing attacks on Israel, primarily through their proxies Hamas and Hezbollah. Iran is the country that has been stomping and shouting and singing and dancing about how they seek to destroy Israel, the Little Satan. Iran is the country that has been at the forefront of the maniacal drive to destroy the Jewish nation.

Iran...not Russia.

And Iran is the country that has all but openly advertised the fact that they are racing toward a nuclear weapon that will enable them to do just that.

2. Russia has pretty much kept their nose out of Iran’s drive to destroy Israel, presumably because they are preoccupied with their ongoing war with Ukraine. In other words, you might say Russia has better things to do right now.

In a sense, these two facts succinctly sum up the current situation.

Now, consider: If Iran actually does successfully reach the nuclear finish line in the next couple of months, as many are convinced they are on track to do, then what exactly do we make of the following passage of Scripture?

1And the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 2Son of man, set your face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him [a careful study of this verse points straight to the region of modern-day Russia (not Iran)], 3And say, Thus said the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: 4And I will turn you back, and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you forth, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armor, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: 5Persia [OK, there’s Iran, following the leader], Ethiopia [BTW, not the same as modern Ethiopia, according to some commentators], and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: 6Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with you.

(Ezekiel 38:1–6 AKJV / emphasis & [comments] added)

In other words, God’s Word makes it completely clear that Russia is the leader of this group of nations that attack Israel, a group that includes Iran (aka Persia) as a member.

Yeah, yeah...you already knew that, OK. But I said all that in order to get you to stop and consider one fundamental question that doesn’t really have an easy or obvious answer if Iran does in fact succeed in reaching their goal of possessing one or more nuclear weapons:

If Iran goes on to complete a nuclear weapon

as planned, why do we see them merely tagging

along with a group of nations led by Russia?

I mean, help me out here. Whatever happened to Iran’s Big Plan, i.e. their plan to annihilate the nation of Israel with their shiny new nuclear weapons? Why do we see them in Ezekiel’s prophecy taking a back seat and following the leader of the pack in the form of Russia in the big drive to wipe Israel out of existence? In other words...

What happened to Iran’s big nuclear weapons program that was going to enable them to destroy Israel all by themselves??

(Uhm...maybe we should ask the IDF, ya think?) Of course, if Israel does strike Iran’s nuclear weapons program and does at least enough damage to set it back a year or two (and leave Iran with little reason to believe Israel couldn’t or wouldn’t do it again in the future), suddenly the fact that Iran is not the nation leading the way in the attack of Gog-Magog and instead is just one member of a pack of nations led by Russia and is merely playing a supporting role in that attack suddenly makes perfect sense.

But if Iran’s got ‘em, it really doesn’t make sense.

So...that begs the question:

2. Who’s got ‘em?

Some people might argue as follows:

Well, who says Gog-Magog has to involve nuclear weapons?

In other words, some might argue that the Gog-Magog coalition could just be a huge group of forces armed with conventional weapons that’s all set to pounce on Israel. Isn’t that scary enough? So that’s the question:

Who says the attack of Gog-Magog

has to involve nuclear weapons?

Would you believe the Author of Scripture?

As I discuss in more detail here, in Ezekiel 39:9–16 the prophet describes events that occur in the aftermath of the failed attack of Gog-Magog, and several verses make it sound for all the world as though there is a nuclear cleanup being carried out. For example:

12And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. [The Hebrew word translated “cleanse” here (a form of taher) is often used in a ceremonial sense, but it can also be used in a more literal sense.] 13Yes, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, said the Lord GOD. 14And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers [those passing through; travelers] those that remain on the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search. 15And the passengers that pass through the land, when any sees a man’s bone [or the remains of a dead body], then shall he set up a sign [a visible marker of some sort] by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.

(Ezekiel 39:12–15 AKJV / emphasis & [comments] added)

I mean, if this isn’t describing a nuclear cleanup, then I have no clue what it’s describing. Not only that, but after the failed attack, Israel will burn the weapons with fire for seven years, thus using them as a source of energy:

9And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the hand staves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

(Ezekiel 39:9 AKJV / emphasis added)

And please note that it is an established fact that unused nuclear weapons can be used as a source of fuel.

And I’m going to assume the prophet Ezekiel didn’t know that.

So the plain text of Scripture itself makes it reasonably clear that nuclear weapons do in fact come into play in the attack of Gog-Magog in some manner, although precisely how they come into play is open to speculation. A nuclear boo-boo triggered by the hand of God, perhaps? Who knows. But any way you look at it, it’s difficult to read the above passage and fail to see that it speaks to the presence of nuclear weapons.

But the point is that if Israel effectively eliminates Iran’s nuclear weapons program from the equation, then whose are they? Who provides those nuclear weapons? Who’s got ‘em? See no. 1 above:

The leader of the pack, that’s who.

3. Got a favor to ask...

So, Russia is the leader in the attack of Gog-Magog—Scripture makes this 100 percent clear. But as I said, Iran has obviously been the primary driving force in the drive to wipe out Israel, not Russia, who has been busy with Ukraine. And that begs the question:

What makes Iran let Russia step up and take the lead in their Big Plan?

My point is that if things were to continue more or less the way they are now and Iran does in fact come into possession of a nuclear weapon, they would have no obvious need or reason to let Russia take the lead in their plan to wipe out Israel. They have made it crystal clear that they are planning to do it themselves with a shiny new nuclear weapon that is nearing completion, and they are perfectly content to use their terrorist proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah to get the IDF stretched out and fully engaged in order to help them get the job done. In other words, this is Iran’s thing...not Russia’s.

So...why would Iran suddenly step down and let Russia lead the charge? Why would Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian give Russian President Vladimir Putin a call one fine morning and say:

“Hey Vlad, got a favor to ask...”

Why indeed. Well, consider: Most experts agree that it would be virtually impossible for Israel to completely destroy Iran’s nuclear weapons program—and based on what I’ve read, I suspect they’re right. They argue that such a feat would require a full-on invasion, and most are of the opinion that such an invasion is probably not in the cards at this point for a variety of reasons.

Not only that, but the important elements of Iran’s nuclear program are fully backed up, and virtually any aspect of the program could be quickly restarted.

But what Israel can do is carry out strategic precision strikes that would set Iran’s progress back—perhaps a year, maybe two. And in all likelihood they could do it again in another year, maybe two. In other words, it is not inconceivable that Israel could repeat such strikes on an as-needed basis in order to keep Iran from ever reaching that nuclear finish line.

Israel has pledged to do just that, and personally I have seen nothing that would indicate that they’re anything less than deadly serious.

Consider: The leaders of Iran may be demonically oppressed, but they’re not mentally challenged. They know full well that if Israel were to muster the chutzpah to carry out one or more precision strikes to damage one or more of their nuclear weapons facilities and as a result set their progress back a year or two, it is entirely possible that Iranian leaders would read the proverbial handwriting on the proverbial wall. In other words:

The Iranians might be pushed to admit they could use some help.

And that help would only be a phone call to Moscow away.

In addition, something tells me that Iran’s demonically fueled desire to see the Jewish nation completely obliterated and every Jewish person dead would probably outweigh any perceived need to save face or maintain their image as the Destroyer of the Little Satan.

I believe the prospect of seeing the Jewish nation wiped off the face of the earth would go a long way in helping them get over a little loss of face.

Did somebody say “chutzpah”? I read a news article not long ago that said the Israelis were brimming with chutzpah these days. Well, after a stunning intelligence coup involving the simultaneous explosion of 5,000 pagers recently purchased by Hezbollah from an obscure company that was most likely a front set up by Israeli intelligence agency Mossad, not to mention the even more stunning elimination of the entire upper echelon of Hezbollah’s command structure through pinpoint missile strikes, I think it’s safe to say that article is right: There is no shortage of chutzpah in Israel right now.

4. Strategic partners.

Over the last several decades, cooperation between Russia and Iran has been growing and expanding, and over just the last two or three years their military cooperation in particular has been growing like gangbusters. For example, just recently Russia promised to provide Iran with advanced S-400 air defense systems (although they have yet to be delivered), and Iran has been sending Russia close-range ballistic missiles (CRBMs).

I might also mention that both Masoud Pezeshkian and Vladimir Putin are planning to sign their Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Agreement before the end of October 2024. So it is quite clear that the military cooperation between these two countries is set to continue and to flourish.

My point is simply that Russia and Iran have become quite the military bedfellows in recent years, and that relationship appears to be growing and deepening at a rate that is causing concern not just to Israel, but to major Western powers as well.

One question that occurs to me, however, is this:

Q. What kind of fruit would this deepening military cooperation bear if Israel were to carry out a strike against Iran’s nuclear weapons facilities as we have been discussing?

On one hand, you’ve got Iran, where the leaders loathe and desire to utterly destroy Israel and the Jewish people primarily for religious reasons because they suffer from a case of satanically induced IDS (Israel Derangement Syndrome). On the other hand, you’ve got Russia, which was a friend of Israel up until the current conflict in Ukraine.

What’ve you done for me lately: I’ve touched on this in the past, but before the current war in Ukraine got started in February 2022, Russia and Israel had been on comparatively friendly terms since Israel’s re-establishment as a nation in 1948. But Ukraine changed everything.

As the mainstream media wasted no time in turning the conflict into an excuse to condemn the big, bad Russian bullies and support the poor, heroic Ukrainian underdogs, the Israelis found themselves between a rock and a hard place:

If they were to openly support Russia, they would face even more intense international condemnation (which would certainly lead to the further collapse of much-needed support from America).

On the other hand, if they were to openly support Ukraine like everyone else, they risked turning a reliable old friend into a powerful new enemy. They did their best to straddle the fence, offering token humanitarian support to Ukraine, but not the weapons Zelenskyy desperately pleaded for.

But Israel’s reluctance to openly support Russia wasn’t lost on Vladimir Putin, who, if nothing else, is a man who puts great stock in loyalty. Putin viewed it as nothing less than a stab in the back, and as a result the relationship between Russia and Israel has been in a death spiral for the last two and a half years and is now pretty much dead and buried.

So under the circumstances, it is certainly not difficult to envision Russia stepping up to offer military assistance to Iran to avenge such a dastardly attack being carried out by Israel—and hey, take a spoil while they’re at it, since their former friend’s gigantic deposits of natural gas would represent Russia’s ticket to even greater wealth and regional power.

Although some of the subtleties and nuances of these complex geopolitical relationships are admittedly a bit on the stratospheric side for my taste, one thing shines through to me with blazing clarity:

If Israel were to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, it is extremely likely that Russia would be quick to offer strong military support to their “strategic partner” against their now former friend.

And those strategic partners would be ready for a date with Ezekiel 38–39.

Soup’s on

As you can see, the point of this article is speculative in nature. Although I generally tend to go easy on the speculative aspect of things, I made an exception in this case because this is a genuinely pressing issue. I say that because if Israel does in fact launch some kind of attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities at some point after I post this article, then at least I can bask in the satisfaction of having called it.

I’m kidding, but just barely. =;)

Seriously...in reality this topic has great potential importance for every believer out there, because if Israel does attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, it could very easily blow the lid off the boiling pot the Middle East has become in the last few years. It would be far more than a mere step forward in the sequence of events that lead up to the fulfillment of Ezekiel 38–39:

It would be a staggering lunge toward that fulfillment.

And why does that have “great potential importance for every believer out there”? Here’s why:

I am convinced from Scripture that the Rapture occurs prior to the climax of Gog-Magog. Although I refrain from dogmatically ruling out the possibility that it occurs very shortly after that climax, Scripture seems to point to it being prior to it. This is due to the fact that the prophet Ezekiel makes it clear that God uses His miraculous intervention to thwart this existential attack on His people to turn His face back to them, and begin the process of pouring His Spirit out on them and drawing them back into a relationship with Him, and ultimately with His Son, the promised Messiah Israel rejected and crucified two thousand years ago. As God states in the final verse of Ezekiel 39:

39Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit on the house of Israel, said the Lord GOD.

(Ezekiel 39:29 AKJV)

Throughout Scripture, God typically deals with Israel and the Church separately, as Paul clearly indicates in his letter to the Romans:

25For I would not, brothers, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, [this is part and parcel of God hiding His face from them] until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. [That is, until the Church is removed via the Rapture].

(Romans 11:25 AKJV / emphasis & [comments] added)

In other words, Paul is effectively telling us point blank that it is the Rapture itself that demarcates God’s dealings with the Church from the resumption of His dealings with His people Israel.

And that’s exactly why watching the current

brewing of events in the Middle East should

have all prophetically aware believers on the

edge of their spiritual seats right about now.

Bottom line: Look up!

One result of this is that now, in the closing days of the Church Age as the rumblings and grumblings of the Tribulation are growing louder and we watch the Middle East congeal into the condition God’s Word says it will be in during the run-up to the Tribulation, it effectively gives us a barometer to help us judge the potential nearness of the Rapture. Certainly not its precise timing, of course, but at least a rough sense of how little time we may have left before that great and glorious day dawns bright and eternal.

So the point is that as we see the ingredients of one of God’s house specialties known as Stew à la Gog-Magog stirring in the pot and beginning to simmer, we can contemplate the question of “Will they or won’t they?” and know for certain that before that pot has a chance to boil over, we’re going to hear the Master Chef shout out those words we are so hungrily waiting to hear:

Soup’s on!

And there is certainly no need to ask “Will He or won’t He?” for this one, because His Word shouts it out with thundering clarity:

HE WILL!


From Greg Lauer @ A Little Strength—OCT '24: "Will They or Won't They?"
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  1. Great analysis Greg!
    I certainly believe that current events point in the direction that you've penned.
    Thanks you for the encouragement. We could see any day (maybe today) what Israel has planned for Iran. I know that God is with Israel and I pray that many people in Iran and throughout the world will see God's hand in protecting Israel and that He wants the world to believe in His Son before it is too late. The clock is certainly ticking...

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    1. Yes Terry, "God is with Israel".

      But which Israel?

      The one of the bloodthirsty Decision-makers/Governors in Tel Aviv, New York etc. who proclaim that the Gentiles are worth less than animals?

      The same ones who massacre entire crowds, under the pretext of an "October 7" maliciously prepared or in any case supported by the "hawks" of the Israeli regime?

      Or are we talking about the People themselves, descendants of Abraham, Jacob, Moses and David?

      Yes, "God is with Israel", but not only that.

      God is with all His children and He wants "all to be saved".

      He hates hatred, violence, massacres between brothers, between His children.
      And He hates even more the murders of the little ones ("...the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to them").

      God is Love.
      He is Justice and Truth.
      He will do everything so that everyone has the choice to recognize Him, to repent and to accept Him in their heart as their only Creator, Savior and Lord.

      As for Russia, despite the worldwide demonization of its Leader, let us observe with hope the conciliatory steps he is trying to take between Iran and Israel and let us not forget the Minsk Agreements "trampled" by the West under the leadership of Uncle Sam (Tulsi Gabbart knows a good part of them).

      Jesus came to bring us Victory over death and the forgiveness of our sins.

      He also brought us His Peace, even in the midst of world wars and our "internal" wars so that we would emerge victorious.

      And most often the prophecies are only understood and seem clear to us... after they have been fulfilled.

      Peace to the men (and women) of Good Will.

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  2. Greg makes a strong case for why Israel would need to take out Iran's nuclear capabilities: "I mean, help me out here. Whatever happened to Iran's Big Plan, i.e. their plan to annihilate the nation of Israel with their shiny new nuclear weapons? Why do we see them in Ezekiel's prophecy taking a back seat and following the leader of the pack in the form of Russia in the big drive to wipe Israel out of existence? In other words...

    What happened to Iran's big nuclear weapons program that was going to enable them to destroy Israel all by themselves??"

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  3. I appreciate what you're saying, Greg. I appreciate it when anyone can give an informed viewpoint while still acknowledging the limitations and exceptions. There are very few events that are understood with 100% certainty, and, as long as we recognize that, we can have some pretty awesome and hope-filled conversations about "looking up."

    I also agree with much of what you said, and I have no opinion on the targets that will be chosen, should Israel follow through. Prophecy is a bit like having checkpoints on a map, but all of the roads and highways are missing. We walk a step forward and we take a look at the scenery to see if anything matches up with the things we know on paper. In other words, it's a lot of guessing as to exactly how we end up where we end up.

    But there is one thing that I would probably disagree with you on. You said . . .

    "In other words, Paul is effectively telling us point blank that it is the Rapture itself that demarcates God’s dealings with the Church from the resumption of His dealings with His people Israel."

    And you referenced, in large part, this verse from Romans (with your bracketed info added) . . .

    "25For I would not, brothers, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, [this is part and parcel of God hiding His face from them] until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. [That is, until the Church is removed via the Rapture]."

    I respect what you're saying, and for many years I would've agreed. And you absolutely could be correct. But I think it's an overstep to say that Paul is tying the Rapture to the "Fullness of the Gentiles." I now believe they are two separate events. And for several reasons.

    First, there are far more "Unsaved Gentiles" than "Believing and Saved Gentiles." Therefore, the catching away of a minority may not represent the Fullness of anything, unless you're just counting Gentile population peaks. And if we look at the spread of the Gospel as a Fullness, it's hard to discount what many people have already espoused . . . that the high-water mark of the spreading of the Word may happen among Gentiles after the Rapture event.

    Second, whether we start the Fig Tree Generation in 1948 with the Rebirth, or 1950 with the Law of Return, or anywhere else in that season, we are still looking at a generation that hits 80 by the summer of 2030. Much of the excitement we're seeing is tied to that revelation, and we can probably expect the Tribulation to start very soon, but . . .

    (continued below)

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  4. I would point to other brothers and sisters, such as "God a Minute" on Youtube, who've noted something significant. Read Psalm 90:10 again:

    "The years of our life are seventy, or even by reason of strength eighty; yet their span is but toil and trouble; they are soon gone, and we fly away."

    So, we have a verse written to the Jews. Jewish years. And at the end of their time, the Jews fly away. And if you take another look at the Tribulation's Mid-Point flight of the Jews from destruction, like Eagles, you start to see that it correlates very nicely.

    In my opinion, it's not the Rapture that marks the Fullness, but the turning of God's eyes toward Israel, and the opening of those Jewish eyes when they fly away toward safety. They are no longer "blind" because the Fullness of "everybody else" has come in. How can they NOT see God when He's saving them?!

    And I know many here are probably sick of seeing me put this up once a year, or whatever, but check this out . . .

    The Hebrew concordance for each upcoming Hebrew year, acknowledging that some will dispute the exact calendar in use:

    5785 (starts Fall 2024) “a skin” [the Abomination?]
    5786 (starts Fall 2025) “to make blind, blind” [the Jews are hidden/begin Wrath without Jesus?]
    5787 (starts Fall 2026) “blind” [still blind during the Wrath?]
    5788 (starts Fall 2027) “blindness” [still more Wrath?]
    5789 (starts Fall 2028) “to lend aid, come to help” [the Wrath ends?]
    5790 (starts Fall 2029) “perhaps to help” [if you made Atonement through Jesus?]
    5791 (starts Fall 2030) “to be bent or crooked” [the remainder bent to God’s will?]
    5792 (starts Fall 2031) "subversion" (a turning over)

    I think it's very interesting that if the Rapture were to happen in the very near future, and Jacob's Trouble kicked off soon, we could see the Abomination of Desolation bookmarked right next to the end of the Fig Tree's Jewish flight, and that the "blindness" of the Jews would come at exactly the same time.

    Consequently, I'm coming to think that the Fullness is reached in 2028 or thereabouts. And it just so happens that Apophis is due in April of 2029. But now I'm just having fun with my own conjecture!

    Thanks for all you do, Greg. Blessings to all for putting up with my long-winded writing.

    Jeremy

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    1. Clarification:

      I meant to say that the "blindness" of the Jews would END at exactly the same time. 2028 or so, according to the concordance model. Sorry

      Jeremy

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  5. Great article on the possibilities! It's frustrating to be so close to the fulfillment of these passages, yet still scratching our heads on how it'll all play out. Still, it's good to lay out how it might work and gnaw on the whole thing together.

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  6. Something not addressed here is that the weapons in Ezekiel 38 are all primitive:
    ..."I will bring you forth, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armor, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:"

    No army is using horses, swords, spears and shields right now. There would have to be some major technological collapse before that happens, and for that reason I put Ezekiel 38 taking place at some time during the Tribulation and not before it.

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  7. Much to think about Greg. Excellent presentation. Any thoughts about Jeremiah 49: 34-39 regarding prophecy against Elam which I understand is in SW Iran? I believe at least one facility in that area and if I interpret the prophecy correctly the land would be uninhabitable for some time?

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  8. After many years of studying eschatology and still being a complete novice, I am still convinced that “the fullness of the Gentiles” refers to: A) The Gentile rule over the nations of the world and B) the Gentile sway over Israel, specifically Jerusalem. To believe that there is one unsaved Gentile left that will be saved in order to enable the Rapture of the Church just never sat well with me, but hey, I’m just a poor shlep trying to make sense of it all, too.
    I want to go home soooo bad and be with our Lord Jesus.
    Maranatha, brothers and sisters!!

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    2. I was tempted to say "Riddle me this . . ." like they did in the old Batman cartoon, but instead, I'll just say that I like your reference to the control over Jerusalem. I just can't quite see how the power struggle between a 2-state solution or divided Jerusalem will mesh well with Israel handling any supposed and future 3rd temple in the beginning half of the 7 years. That timeline is still too opaque for me. I wouldn't want to make any assumption, there.

      I think it makes more sense to see the "Fullness of the Gentiles" as that moment in time in which their eyes are most open and they can most clearly see Jesus for who He is. And, in that light, we've spent almost 2,000 years watching the Gentiles becoming more and more full. So, it would make a lot of sense that the Fullness of the Gentile condition would be reached after the Rapture has torn the blinders off of countless millions.

      In that same time, the Jewish nation, as a whole, has been fighting to forcefully close its eyes to the truth. But I do believe that the Gentiles reach their Fullness just before the mid-point Abomination of Desolation. And I do believe that when the concordance says "to make blind," it's referring to a deepening blindness for the Israelites that will be brought about by a newly-active AntiChrist. That's IF the Fall season of 2025 starts the Tribulation.
      And from the Mid-Point on, the Gospel is working toward a Fullness of Messianic Jews, no longer blinded by deception or international conflict, etc.

      I wanted to apologize, too, for the added bracketed material on the concordance dates above. I shouldn't have just cut-and-pasted it from the past, so it's showing some old notes that I had. Hope it wasn't too confusing.

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  9. If you believe in Election, the fullness of the Gentiles can be a literal collection of those predestined to be in the Church. If you believe in God's complete sovereignty, He can ensure that the last Gentile enters in at the same time that other events occur.

    You needn't twist or stretch interpretation. Whomever is intended to be in the Church will be. Then, His eyes are on Israel.

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    2. I think many would agree with the "last gentile saved" line of thought. I don't really focus on that because I already know that God is sovereign. I don't care to waste one second thinking about who will or won't be saved. It doesn't narrow down the current events timeline, and it's my job to be a part of spreading the gospel, regardless of whatever that final tally might be. Praise the Lord that I'm not responsible for worrying about that!

      But, I do hope that you don't see my prophetic guesswork as a twisting or stretching of interpretation, as you may have said above. It's not intended to be. I'm just looking for understanding and hopeful context, which I believe to be the point of "watching" in the first place.

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  10. It has come to my attention that there will be
    A Major National Cybersecurity Exercise on Election Day.
    Hmmmm—do ya think this could be related to Brandon Dawson’s WARNING--THE GRID IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN!?
    How many more dominos will fall soon after that leading to the Rapture?!

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    1. They’re not showing the November 5 cybersecurity exercise on the Home Page anymore, but list it on the fbcinc.com Agenda Page
      where it reads:

      12:30 PM - 5:30 PM EST (5 hours)
      All Hands on Deck
      Participants from Federal, State and Local agencies in a large-scale cybersecurity tabletop exercise focused on critical infrastructure. This exercise is open to all registrants of the Homeland Security conference. Come and observe the exercise and be a part of the larger conversation.

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  11. The Seleucid portion of the Grecian Empire, which contains the land of the Hashemite Kingdom, of the Moslem Empire, was conquered by the Romans and is the territory from where these ten kings grow. And the one that grows up among them, the eleventh, grows up among them in that territory, but was not there at the time of the Romans. So the “little horns” kingdom is an emerging kingdom.

    Jordan is that Kingdom that grew up among them in the modern times, and Jordan is ruled by the Hashemite King.

    And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns that thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

    These kings get their power at the time of the beast, which is in the second half of the Great Tribulation.

    All atlases of the Bible printed before the 1940's show the land of Magog to be in the northern part of Iraq, just north of Baghdad, and Meshech and Tubal are in the area that today is Turkey and portions of northern Syria as well as northern Iraq.

    From this it's clear that Gog (Antichrist, the Chief Prince), will be from Iraq and that he will become the Chief Prince (once again) of that portion of Turkey and the northern part of Syria along with Iraq, which again is the former Seleucid/Hashemite Kingdom, the kingdom grown out of the Moslem Empire, the seventh Empire on the land out of Babylon.

    The Hashemite Kingdom, which is within the boundaries of the Seleucid Portion of the Old Grecian Empire, exactly where Daniel 11, verses 18-21 says the Little Horn that rises in the end time will come from.

    And, it is from out of this seventh kingdom, the Hashemite Kingdom, that the 8th kingdom will come - Antichrist's kingdom.

    Carl Ludwigson, a Hebrew scholar that points out that the land of Magog, along with the lands of Syria, Togarmah (Turkey), Meshech and Tubal, were all doing business with Tyre, six centuries before Christ. That territory was part of the Moslem Empire also, and as such, carries more weight in that context than does Russia, when it comes to this prophecy.

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  12. It looks like the "Will they Or Won't They" question has now been answered. Israel, along with U.S. B-2 stealth bombers, are now attacking Iran.

    ISRAEL-IRAN ATTACK IN-PROGRESS -- Live Updates ! !
    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/explosions-in-tehran-iran-israeli-war-planes-crossing-syria-jordan-border-towards-iraq

    With Iran's critical assets being destroyed, thus not allowing it to come against Israel by itself but to have to later pair up militarily with Russia to do so is now taking place. Looks like this is how it is playing out as per Greg's article.

    Furthermore, strikes are being leveled against Syria at the present moment as well as Iran.

    Next stop after this, depending on if you are a psalm 83 guy or not, the destruction of Damascus as clearly outlined in the Isaiah 17 prophecy. Then, perhaps on the heels of that, the Gog/Magog invasion of Israel.

    But first, the Rapture. This is why the Lord ordained the 153 Rapture go signal just a few days ago when China surrounded Taiwan in a military drill with "153" fighter jets. So, yeah, Rapture upcoming.

    THE 153 FISH AND ANOTHER 153 END OF THE AGE SIGN
    https://endtimesdarknessdescending.wordpress.com/2024/10/23/the-153-fish-and-another-153-end-of-the-age-sign/

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  13. As of early Saturday morning, Israel has begun its precision attack on military targets in Iran. Praying for God's will to be done as He sees fit.

    Jeremy

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    1. Today, Saturday, Tishrei 24, October 26, 2024 is also Parashah Bereshit, beginning of Torah reading for the new year, and also the day when a major solar storm clipped the Earth. It is of no surprise that we would see the IDF conducting precision strikes on Iran today.

      Time is getting short folks. BRICS is looking more and more like the beast with Turkey among the countries invited to join as members. We won't know until New Year's but the total number of members is there to create the ten horns and ten crowns given in Scripture. Cudos to brother Ty for his continued reporting on the subject,

      BRICS Summit Is Over and It's Looking Like BRICS Is In The Bible

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    2. The BRICS prize would be to persuade coy Saudi Arabia to join. Since the bloated debt of the US dollar renders it near worthless, the only leverage left to the dollar used to sanction so many BRICS nations is having the reserve currency propped up as the petro dollar by Saudi Arabia after Nixon took it off of the gold standard. The Saudi condition of so far not joining BRICS is likely to blackmail the US into agreeing to a 2 state solution which Biden, Blinken & Harris already support. Babylon Sodom USA is falling very soon. Come out of her my people......

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  14. Of course, this may also be a limited attack and may not constitute the statement of "critical infrastructure" being taken out just yet. So, I may be jumping the gun a bit here (no pun intended), but perhaps this will lead into Iran's critical infrastructure being taken out later - thus setting up the Damascus destruction and the later Gog/Magog battle.

    We'll see how this plays out. It sure looks like that trumpet is edging ever closer though.

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  15. War began on Shemini Atzeret 2023. Now strikes on Iran immediately after Shemini Atzeret 2024. Fascinating. Almost like God has appointments on His calendar.

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  16. Also, Trump will apparently be having one of his last rallies in Salem, Virginia.

    This is the last time he can run for president.

    The last trump in Salem. Come on.

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    1. It's almost like God extended and stretched "Trump's" time upon the world stage by allowing him to "lose" the "election" 4 years ago and to have to run again here in 2024 - right on time for the set-up to the Gog/Magog war preceded by the blowing of the "Trump" of the Rapture. The sovereignty of God on display yet again.

      When looked at from the wide angle panoramic view, it all takes on a certain look and a certain flavor doesn't it?

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    3. The Trump rally in Madison Square Garden actually delivered FULL BLOWN JOY not seen since Reagan. I am no fan of the prideful, self-loving, money loving king of boasting but joy was pouring out all over in contrast to the woman running on the joy platform who has blood on her hands from the planned out of control border crimes. The Lord has a great sense of humor!

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  17. And how about this - just today (the very day that Israel and the U.S. have just launched an attack on Iran), Donald Trump gave a highly anticipated interview to Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan is the biggest podcaster in the nation by far (if not the world). His viewership is enormous.

    It is almost as if God is subtly flashing the hint of the Trump (Rapture) to a more massive audience in a last (perhaps condemning for the world and clue for the Church) big announcement/warning to the world of the Rapture just before it blows.

    In the words of Joe Biden ... "Come on Man!!!"

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    1. Thanks for that Corey and Gary.

      Gary, is there an Unsealed article on the coming Corona Borealis nova? I did a prophetic write-up titled The Sign of the Crown.

      Then the other night our neighbors kindly invited my husband Tom and I to join them to enjoy the stars as we sat by a cozy campfire next to their house. The subject of the Star of Jacob came up. They had heard that such a star was to appear soon and wondered if we knew anything about it.

      I had written about the soon appearance of this star but realized I had not addressed the Jewish aspect of The Sign of the Crown. So today I posted a related article but wanted to include anything Unsealed might have written:

      THE STAR OF JACOB’S TROUBLE

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  18. Looks like the attack last night was to blind Iran so that, now, they can take out their nuclear facilities etc. According to the Hal Turner site, Israeli sources are now saying quietly ...

    "We blinded all the radar in Syria and Iraq. Now that they cannot see us coming, we are free to take out Iran's nuclear program."

    "Three U.S. Air Force KC-135 Aerial-Refueling Tankers have departed from Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar, and are heading North over Iraq; while another Group of Three KC-135s, coming from Ramstein Air Base in Germany, are heading South over Turkey towards the Middle East."

    "Looks like Israel's 🇮🇱 attack was a “preparation”: 📡 Destroyed air defense en route to Iran in Syria 🇸🇾 & Iraq 🇮🇶 📡 Destroyed radars of S-300 & S-400 air defense in Iran 🇮🇷 Now that Iran's air defense is fully blinded, Israel can freely attack its nuclear facilities."

    UPDATED 12:14 PM EDT -- The Aftermath; Israel Strike on Iran
    https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/the-aftermath-israel-strike-on-iran



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  19. SAMPSON OPTION? ironic that Samson was blind in Gaza until his hair grew back in Judges 16:27 "The Philistine rulers were celebrating in a temple packed with people and with 3,000 more on the flat roof. They had all been watching Samson and making fun of him. 28 Samson prayed, “Please remember me, Lord God. The Philistines poked out my eyes, but make me strong one last time, so I can take revenge for at least one of my eyes!”

    29 Samson was standing between the two middle columns that held up the roof. He felt around and found one column with his right hand, and the other with his left hand. 30 Then he shouted, “Let me die with the Philistines!” He pushed against the columns as hard as he could, and the temple collapsed with the Philistine rulers and everyone else still inside. Samson killed more Philistines when he died than he had killed during his entire life."

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    1. Woe! That's biblical and never more likely. Netanyahu seems to be in 'live free or die' mode both personally and nationally, though many of his countrymen seem to be less so inclined. Over here, we will see if we get the whore that rides the beast caricature or the prosperity gospel preacher. Prophecy will not be denied much longer.

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  20. Did any of you happen to see this video put out by Supernatural by Design? He states that Trump's birth related to the star of the time of Jacob's trouble. Makes you really wonder about this whole election and America and what is coming just around the corner.

    This video is a short one. I would be interested in hearing any thoughts you might have.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1uTkkCRcS4

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  22. Kama Kama Kama Kama Kama Chameleon

    Some thoughts about Kamala. America's not feeling the "Joy".

    60 years since 1964

    Tim Walz was born in 1964. So was Kamala Harris. In the year when these two people are trying to stop Trump, both candidates turned from 59 to 60 years old.

    When the minute hand on a clock turns from 59 to 60, it means "Time's up." Is America's time up?

    As a follow up to the 1968 comparison, LBJ was elected in 1964. 1964 was the Voting Rights election. Will 2024 be the "End of Voting Rights" election? Kamala turned from 59 to 60 right after her notorious rally where protesters allegedly shouted "Jesus is Lord" and she responded with "I think you're at the wrong rally". Was this the moment when God pulled the plug on the Democratic party for good? If Harris wins narrowly there is even speculation that Trump will contest the vote counting and try to steal the election:

    https://newrepublic.com/post/187596/trump-secret-mike-johnson-madison-square-garden-nyc-rally

    Harris turned 60 on 10/20. Right around the time when the Bret Baier interview exposed Harris as a know nothing hack who simply refuses to answer questions at all. I'm offended that someone who refuses to answer any questions expects me to vote for her.

    2016: "I'm with Her and Tim"
    2024: "I'm with Her and Tim"

    Same process, same result?

    Kamala Harris Emhoff: 6+6+6 letters
    Donald Johann Drumpf: 6+6+6 letters

    Both candidates are evil.

    Kamala clips where she is obviously drunk have been making the rounds. At her inauguration she wore purple and pearls in the city of Washington which sits on seven hills

    Revelation 17 describes a woman drunk, wearing purple and pearls, sitting on seven mountains. Getting drunk on the blood of innocents

    Kamala is from Kali-fornia and her name sounds like Kali Ma. The Hindu goddess of death. Leftists are calling Kamala a baby-killer over Gaza. Her whole campaign is about baby killing (abortion).

    Kamala Harris' middle name is the first four letters of the word DEVIL. The word DEVI means Goddess and the Devil also wanted to call himself God.

    Kamala has embraced Dick Cheney who belongs in prison. This in an election where war is raging in Ukraine and Israel. She is a willing tool of the military industrial complex. She will say anything to get elected. "Let's embrace a war criminal and one of the architects of the forever wars at precisely the time when our own voters are urgently pleading with us to end the two ongoing wars which both have US involvement."

    Kamala sounds like "Come, Allah." Or "Maranatha, Allah."

    Kamala isn't a descendant of slaves and many African Americans don't like or trust her. Her mother was Indian and her father was Jamaican. Her father (her only black parent) doesn't even speak with her. Her husband is white and she used to be a prosecutor locking up people. It's mystifying why Obama would be shocked that many black people aren't getting on board the Harris train just because her skin is coffee colored. Oh yeah, I forgot, people should vote for Harris based solely on restoring Roe v Wade to law, even though abortions are still happening due to abortion pills.

    This election has had an obsession with the debate over how to pronounce Kamala's name. If you pronounce it KaMAla you will get reprimanded by Dems. I find it significant that all these people are going around saying "Don't say MA when referring to her." Kamala herself is not a mother of biological children. She's not a MA. "Don't say MA. And reinstate Roe by ending the Senate filibuster."

    Kamala is a fraud. Her direct insults to Christians shows where her loyalty lies. She may win but she deserves to lose.

    I'm honestly terrified of either of these candidates winning. The race is neck and neck but we are deeply screwed no matter who wins.

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    1. You write: "we are deeply screwed" WHAT? DO not include me in your "we" because WE who belong to HIS KINGDOM are screw proof & have been praying for HIS Kingdom to COME so WE can leave Sodom Babylon USA behind in the rear view mirror!

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    2. Amen, Brother.

      Zachary, you are out of line.

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  23. There are Christians who claim dreams and visions of a woman becoming President right before the Rapture/Tribulation period. (Kamala won't win legitimately, but maybe she becomes a lame duck fill-in for Biden, or maybe she won't concede the loss, or even certify the election as VP, since that's her prerogative.)

    There are Christians claiming dreams and visions of missiles coming down on America as we are Raptured up.

    There are people who clearly believe that this could be another iteration of "the last Trump."

    There are many who believe that Jeremiah 49:35-39 is now being fulfilled, since the bow (think bow and arrow) of Elam (part of Iran) has now been broken with the destruction of Iran's primary missile-manufacturing center. And, with the takedown of the anti-aircraft systems this week, Israel stands imminently prepared to launch a bigger takedown of Iran's nuclear program, which might be Iran's "chief might."

    And there is the ever-present Azovmena "prophecy" about nuclear weapons being deployed on November 11th of some unknown year.

    I agree with Corey, above, that Trump was allowed to lose 4 years ago in order to set this up. And that's what I told my barber while getting my hair cut back in the spring of 2021. I don't really want to get into the whole AntiChrist argument right now, but I can see Trump's Abraham Accords moving forward as a confirmation to start the Tribulation period. (I don't believe it will matter to us who does the confirming. But, apparently, the Saudis are working on a two-state solution at this very moment.)

    And I would really like to point out the latest video from Rock Island Books on YouTube:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC6qiSFM78o

    CJ Lovik reminds us that the Tribulation is NOT seven years long . . . it is seven "prophetic" years long . . . 2520 days. That's 7 x 360 days, and not 7 x 365.25 days. The difference is 37 days.

    He makes the argument that because we cannot control the current post-flood definition of a day . . . it gets light and dark when it wants to, regardless of what we define a year as . . . we have to account for that in our Rapture model timelines. And he argues that this is what's meant by God "shortening" the days. The Tribulation will begin, not at 7 years, but 37 days less than that.

    Why do I mention all of this? Well, it's obvious that the Rapture didn't happen at the Fall Feasts of 2024, but if you follow his math in the video (I didn't verify his Day of Atonement calculation down the road), then you need to add another 37 days to the calendar before 7 years of 360 days can begin. And going from his dates, that brings us to November 18th of this year.

    More importantly, I think, is that if Noah and his family were allowed to board the Ark, and were sealed into safety 7 days before the Flood began, then a similar sealing of Believers brought into safety via the Rapture would happen on November 11th, 2024 . . . the same date that Pastor Phillip Barnett saw nuclear weapons being exchanged.

    And, still more importantly, even the secular world is acknowledging that there will be a heated debate and contested election AFTER November 5th, in which the Deep State and NeoConservatives will be more interested than usual in starting a nuclear war to stave off the inevitable and reset the planet. And this is an excellent video making just that point:

    https://rumble.com/v5ka2hd-desperate-deep-state-wants-war-and-martial-law-martin-armstrong.html

    Will the "blaze star" herald an Anti-Messiah the second time around? Maybe. Because the time appears very short, indeed.

    Jeremy

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    3. "There are Christians who claim dreams and visions of a woman becoming President right before the Rapture/Tribulation period. (Kamala won't win legitimately, but maybe she becomes a lame duck fill-in for Biden, or maybe she won't concede the loss, or even certify the election as VP, since that's her prerogative.)"

      Consider this: the Whore of Babylon is a CITY, not a woman. If Kamala is symbolic of the qualities of that city, that's one thing - but unlike her, we know that the Antichrist is a singular man (well, demonic beast really, but it masquerades as an individual human). I showed in some detail earlier this year why I believe Trump is that actual beast. When he returns to power (if he does), the CITY will be riding him. Harris won't be in power (probably) because she as an individual doesn't seem to have any end times role. However if she does decide to turn her loyalty over to the beast nonetheless then if she loses the election we should expect her to certify Trump's victory. But Kamala herself is not the Whore of Babylon. In Rev 13 when the world asks who can make war with the beast we should expect that this creature controls the most powerful military force on Earth.

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  24. Zachary once again shows up with his TDS well intact! As Seinfeld says "Aw...that's a shame!"

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  25. I don't think it's fair to discount Zach's opinion. None of us have the definitive answers, either.

    Let's be honest. Most Christians haven't had a decent anti-war, pro-America, strong economy social conservative to vote for in decades. But Trump isn't so much courageous as he is authoritarian. He isn't so much Godly or moral as he is ethical and vain.

    Trump is selfish, prideful, and a pretender. And being the lesser of two evils on the ballot should not earn him blind Christ-following support.

    He voted Democrat for most of his life . . . just because.

    He has flip-flopped on just as many issues as Kamala over his lifetime.

    He is a nationalist, whose humanitarian values stop at the border. The same border that only had enough of a wall to be a photo-op. And Mexico did not pay for it.

    He doesn't want to be seen as ending abortion, but settles for making it a state issue. An election game, maybe. But God doesn't play those games. True courage would call murder what it is.

    He still supports the efficacy of an mRNA fake vaccine.

    He played a fair amount of golf while the country burned these last 4 years.

    He said he'd drain the swamp. He did a few things.

    He said he'd lock them up, but he admitted letting that abomination, Hillary, go free because he was being generous. Even when he had the evidence.

    He never released the JFK files.

    He never did many things that he should've or could've. He never did some basic things he said he would, and that the People gave him the power to do.

    To be honest, it doesn't matter to me who the AntiChrist is. But let's not pretend that Trump doesn't share some of those characteristics.

    If anything, it's concerning that a strong nationalism leaning just slightly toward improvement might just be part of a larger deception.

    God may have chosen to use Trump, but that doesn't make him Godly. And it's worrying that he will win this election, but we may never see him on his knees in prayer.

    His relations have ties to 666. His Abraham Accords stand to be confirmed. He had a curious head wound. I mean, that's a lot of surface level weirdness, even if everything isn't a 100% match. I'm sure you can at least understand why some people think what they think. We don't have to agree with it, but we can be polite.

    Jeremy

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  26. I should add that Trump was apparently bailed out of his first bankruptcy by a globalist. His business deals tend to hinge on rule-twisting finesse, largesse, or power plays. And he doesn't speak of salvation on a personal level.

    Some say that's because he's growing. But maybe it's because he's pretending. He sure doesn't pass much of the credit on to the Lord.

    Many of us KNOW that the last election was stolen. But since most of us are aware that Satan's forces like to set up fake heroes as a tricky alternative and contrast to obvious evil, how many have considered the possibility that the 2016 razor-thin win might also have been a setup? Did the fake savior Trump come in to set up photo ops for the next two terms?

    I certainly don't know. But I trust no politician that much.

    Jeremy

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  27. Wow...another TDS sighting! Its a bigger pandemic than Covid!

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  28. Lol.

    Nice try, Norm. I'm not biting, brother. I voted for him last time, but I'll let God lead me on election day. God and brains.

    It's not my theory, but for those of you that want MbS to be the AntiChrist, and that read my post, above, about November 11th . . .

    He is leading an Arab/Muslim summit to confront Israeli actions on . . . November 11th. The perfect pulpit to be standing at if nuclear conflict begins in the north and west on that same day. Standing ready to confirm a peace agreement in the wake. Just like they used 9/11 to pull together a coalition of the willing in order to do the immoral.

    Jeremy

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  29. Let me be clear, I strongly disagree with any criticism of people based on who they vote for,” Harris said."

    I believe this quote encapsulates what is so scary and depressing about Kamala Harris' candidacy for president of the United States. No one with a functioning brain takes this statement seriously.

    It is a vacuous statement intended to do nothing but appeal to people for their votes. Voting *is* a moral act, and voting for a candidate reflects one's own values.

    If inviting Republicans like Liz and Dick Cheney into one's "big tent" is necessary to defeat today's GOP, then that assuredly means tailoring policy to cater to their views.

    What does winning even mean, then? What do you even believe is worthwhile to fight for? Harris is a cipher designed in a lab to simply vacuum up votes by any means necessary. The ultimate irony is that Dick Cheney himself SUCCESSFULLY OVERTHREW AN ELECTION in 2000!!

    Harris isn't truly running a campaign based on morality or values. She is running a campaign based on fear mongering. This allows her to portray herself as the candidate of "normalcy". Of "propriety". Of "decency". It's also a convenient excuse allowing you to avoid focusing on concrete measures you would take to reform the system itself.

    Yet I would like to point out that the very premise of her campaign is built on a lie: that she would never defy the will of the people.

    Harris covered up for Biden's mental deterioration for years. She then participated in a palace coup to threaten Biden with invoking the 25th amendment and kicking him out of office. Yet, after he dropped out and endorsed her (via a suspicious X tweet that may or may not have included actual words written by Biden and may or may not have actually been sent out by him), the 25th amendment was never invoked.

    It was only taken out and used as a threatening weapon to obtain a goal: Kamala's candidacy. Once the goal was obtained, the weapon was returned to its case. Winning was the only consideration.

    So Harris is justifiably going everywhere telling us how horrible Trump was for trying to steal the presidency from Biden - while she herself *is also guilty of stealing Biden's role as the Democratic candidate*.

    Harris also advocated strongly for Trump to be kicked off Twitter in 2021. She is the candidate of cancel culture and corporate totalitarianism. She is the personification of the harlot city.

    She drinks the blood of innocents. She is heartless and disrespectful to anti war protesters at her rally.

    "I'm Speaking" and "I Will Not Be Silent"

    Two catch phrases Harris is known for are above.

    "I'm Speaking" is used at rallies to silence Gaza protestors.

    "I will not be silent" was used after meeting with Netanyahu, referring to Gaza deaths.

    The irony is that "I'm Speaking" is used to silence the very voices she once promised would be heard.

    The "Coconut Brown Suit"

    Kamala was celebrated for wearing a coconut brown suit at the DNC.

    Who else wore a tan brown suit? Hitler did.

    She caters to the weed, porn and crypto industries.

    Christians will understandably vote against her and I think she might win , she is truly dangerous and the prospect of her winning is scary indeed.

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  30. Will They or Won't They?

    Hmmm, the question now is, will Iran retaliate again or will Israel conduct a preemptive strike on Iran before Iran responds?

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  31. Did you know...

    Thursday, October 31, 2024 is 2,595 days since the Revelation 12 Sign? That's equivalent to 1,260 days plus 1,335 days. Sound familiar?

    My how time passes.

    Day by day we are drawing closer and closer to the Day of our Blessed Hope. The day when the Earth will quake, the skies darken, the Sun go black as sackcloth and the whole moon turn like blood. The Day when the worthless figs are cast down and we are caught up!

    May we not curse our imagined opponents who are also made in the image of God but pray for our enemies. Yeah, that's a tough one but we are called to do it nonetheless.

    At all times, Keep the Faith,

    Blessings to you and yours, this eve of All Saints Day,


    PR

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  32. I'd just like to mention that while I am supposed to vote I believe.... I am so glad that God has the final say! He appoints kings / leaders! He may allow who we think is best or who we think is worst but ultimately it's His choice and He will use that person for His good to accomplish His plan despite their plan! Therefore, I do my part and have faith without fear that God has the final say and I can trust His say!

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  33. Also, I have gone through lots of indecisiveness for months on what to do along with lots of prayer. At one point I thought I would write in Jesus Christ. I realize that is not the answer either. God has given me peace that as long as I pray and vote how He leads me He will take care of the outcome. Fear not! Whatever happens, Trust His perfect plan.

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  34. I can't believe there is any discussion on who is the better candidate to vote for in this election as a follower of Jesus. We have a nationalist and a globalist. We have a candidate who has appointed conservative justices to the suprme court and one who will appoint liberal jugdges who are pro death. We have a candidate who will secure our borders and one who has a terrible track record on our southern border. We have a candidate that is a socialist/communist and another who is free market pro business. We have one who has supported Israel (66% of Israelis support Trump) and one who undermines the Jewish state at every turn. If Trump were president the Russia Ukraine war would have ended months ago. We would never have abandon Aghanastan in the humiliating manor in which Biden did. How is this even a question for Christians?

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    1. I hope you're not reading my particular posts as some sort of confusion between Trump and Harris. I certainly never said any such thing.

      I am well aware that Trump is the better of the two. But that doesn't make him the only choice on the ballot. And folks can argue all they like about who someone else ought to be casting their vote for, but as for me, I will pray about it. And I will leave you to your conscience as well.

      I thank God that He will see His will done regardless of my choice, but I will vote in order to show myself approved. And I don't take that lightly.

      Jeremy

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    2. Oh my Jeremy! I certainly did not mean that! I apologize if it sounded as such. I was just agreeing that after much prayer that I was brought to vote for Trump as well.

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    3. No apology needed, Nan! I would just hate to see this thread turn negative.

      You know, I did NOT vote for him in 2016 when he won. (I voted for the Constitution Party candidate because I didn't trust him.) And then, I did vote for him in 2020 when he lost. Now, I know he's deflecting, lying, or ignorant about the faked vaxx, and I don't think he's the right choice, but he may be the only choice . . . again. And I do believe he'll win, if the vote is conducted legitimately.

      Maybe God made me a contrarian in the womb! My spiritual gift is frustration! lol

      Jeremy

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  35. Lol!! I totally understand... I fought the choice because of those points but alas I think its the best choice for me. I still don't trust him but it's where God is leading me.
    Like I said before though...even if someone got 100% of the vote God can change it.... it's truly up to God. He will appoint the king/president....I just do as I feel he leads me.

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    1. I agree totally! That's all we can do, right?

      Jeremy

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  37. Here is a link to a biblical atlas

    https://bibleatlas.org/

    Type in the names meshech, Tubal, and Magog and you will find they are all found in turkey not russia. That is just the cold hard facts. Ezekiel 38 is referencing turkey not russia.

    Ezekiel 38 is referencing the chief ruler of turkey not Russia. We should be watching Erdogan the chief ruler of turkey for completion of ezekiel 38. Biblical geography demands it.

    Viewing Russia as Magog is a hold over from the cold war era which satisfied the Russia hysteria of the time and brought it into biblical prophecy but that view is demonstrably via geography not correct.

    Also as a side note ALL the 7 churches of revelation are found in what is today Turkey.

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